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Meeting of the Parliament 18 November 2014

18 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Drink-drive Limit

I commend Dave Thompson for his tenacity and the work that he has carried out over the years to bring this change to fruition. I thank him very much for that.

As I and others have mentioned, the majority of people in Scotland support a lower drink-driving limit, which was evidenced in the Scottish Government’s consultation. An independent analysis of respondents to the consultation found that 74 per cent believed that the drink-driving limit should be reduced and 87 per cent of those agreed that the blood alcohol limit should be reduced to 50mg per 100ml.

The British Medical Association and the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents support the reduction of the drink-driving limit, and we have to ask why. As others have said, the reduction will save lives and, importantly, it will discourage drivers from drinking and driving—that is where the education aspect comes in.

Figures have been bandied about, and I would like to add a few of my own. An average of 20 lives are lost each year through drink driving. Last year, 90 people were seriously injured and 340 people were slightly injured as a result of drink driving. That is totally unacceptable. Drink driving affects all who are involved.

Paul Bassett, general manager of the Scottish Ambulance Service’s south-east division, said:

“All too often our ambulance crews have to deal with the tragic consequences of drink driving, which have a devastating impact on families and communities.”

Drink driving affects ambulance drivers and rescue workers as well. He also said:

“The message is clear and we hope this initiative will reduce the number of lives that are ruined as a result of drink driving.”

No one should drink and drive, and drivers should take responsibility for their actions.

Kathleen Braidwood, road safety officer for RoSPA, said:

“People need to realise that any amount of alcohol impairs a driver’s ability to judge speed and distance while behind the wheel. Alcohol also slows reaction times and can make drivers over-confident and more likely to take risks. Lowering the drink-drive limit will not only contribute to making our roads safer but also have a wider social impact.”

That is very important. As I said, drink driving affects all aspects of lives.

Graeme Pearson mentioned education and the media. The cabinet secretary has used most of the measures that we have talked about to make the general public aware of the changes, which have been very well outlined. TV, radio, electronic signs both in Scotland and on the border, petrol stations, pubs and retail organisations have been covered very carefully, and I doubt whether anyone would not be aware of the changes that are going to take place. It is incumbent on drivers and others to know what the law is.

I did not quite understand where Margaret Mitchell was coming from earlier—I think that a number of us did not—so perhaps when she sums up we could have more explanation from her.

When the Scottish Government asked the Westminster Government in 2012 for powers to reduce the drink-driving limit, it also asked for powers to make changes to penalties, but the Westminster Government did not give them. Like Richard Simpson, we all agree that we would welcome having those powers here in the Scottish Parliament, so that they could work in tandem with the other powers.

Drink-driving blights lives for everyone and we have to do our utmost to ensure that, as Graeme Pearson said, we do not criminalise people but educate them to the fact that drink driving is not acceptable in Scotland.

16:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11567, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on lowering the drink-drive limit.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
Members will be aware that the Scottish Government has long argued that a lower drink-drive limit will save lives and help to make Scotland’s roads safer. So...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I say at outset that Scottish Labour supports the motion. I will speak to the amendment from Scottish Labour. We have no reservations in our support for the...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the member share my view that we should introduce a graduated driving licence scheme for young drivers? The member will know that the proposal is that n...
Graeme Pearson Lab
The member makes an important point, and I would support that proposal. I was at Stranraer academy yesterday and that very issue was raised out of the blue. ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives support initiatives to make Scotland’s roads safer. The pain, heartache and devastation that the victims—and their families—of dru...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Excuse me, Ms Mitchell. Sandra White has a point of order.
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Could Margaret Mitchell please mention the motion and the amendment that she is speaking to? I have not heard anythin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you for that request for a point of order, but it is not a point of order. The words that Margaret Mitchell chooses to use are a matter for her.
Margaret Mitchell Con
I suggest that Sandra White should listen carefully—she has obviously lost the thread of the argument. Those reports highlight perceived pressures on police...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will do in a minute, if Elaine Murray does not mind—I just want to complete this point. The SPA report identified evidence that “officers perceive a pres...
Elaine Murray Lab
Could Margaret Mitchell clarify the intention of her amendment? As I read it, the suggestion that the application of penalties for exceeding the drink-drivin...
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that point specifically, if Elaine Murray will allow me to develop my argument. Furthermore, the cabinet secretary has emphasised—as does the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be of four minutes, and there is time for interventions. 15:49
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to be taking part in the debate because, as the Cabinet Secretary for Justice said, I have been campaigning to have the drink-driving limit re...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and voice my support for the lowering of the drink-driving limit. Sir Peter North’s report indicated that th...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The recalibration of the breathalyser happened last year. It is very important because the power is reserved, and I think that it would be a great improvemen...
Dr Simpson Lab
I am in favour of that area being devolved appropriately so that we can cover all aspects. We already cover some of them. Do our Scottish courts have the po...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I commend Dave Thompson for his tenacity and the work that he has carried out over the years to bring this change to fruition. I thank him very much for that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The current drink-drive limit was set in 1965. Since then, I am glad to say, perceptions have changed. Public and scientific understanding of the risks has i...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Drink driving has been a scourge on Scotland’s roads for too long, leading to completely unnecessary injuries and deaths, and devastating families and commun...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As a veteran road safety campaigner, I very much welcome the debate this afternoon and, of course, I will be supporting the Scottish Government’s motion. I ...
Dave Thompson SNP
Does David Stewart agree that, to deal with the full range of issues, we need all the powers relating to the matter to be devolved to the Parliament?
David Stewart Lab
I welcome the work that Dave Thompson has done on drink driving. As Dr Richard Simpson mentioned, there are strong arguments for devolving day-to-day adminis...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will address both amendments. The first one—Graeme Pearson’s—is absolutely fine and dandy. In fact, a great deal of the committee conversation and interrog...
Christine Grahame SNP
No, I have only four minutes. I want to support Margaret Mitchell’s amendment but she will need to clarify what it means, for goodness’ sake. The committee ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit is important, and I fully agree with the motion and the Labour Party’s amendment. The UK currently has the highest drink-driv...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As already stated, a drink-driving limit has been in place since 1965. Since then, social attitudes towards those who drink drive have changed; they have cha...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit will make Scotland’s roads safer. We all know that alcohol affects a driver’s judgment and reaction times, and that the risk o...