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Meeting of the Parliament 18 November 2014

18 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Drink-drive Limit
Thompson, Dave SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

I am delighted to be taking part in the debate because, as the Cabinet Secretary for Justice said, I have been campaigning to have the drink-driving limit reduced from 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood to 50mg since I entered the Parliament in 2007.

Indeed, after a chat with the cabinet secretary in 2007, I wrote to him asking him to take action on the matter. I then took part in several debates on the issue: the first in October 2007 and a further two in 2008. I also hosted a number of events in the Parliament. It soon became clear that there was overwhelming support in this Parliament for reducing the drink-driving limit—indeed, one vote in Parliament was unanimous. However, we had no power to do anything about the matter at that time.

After those debates, I continually pressed the matter with the UK Government, which eventually agreed to devolve powers over the issue via the Scotland Act 2012. That was rapidly followed by the Scottish Government announcing in March 2013 its intention to reduce the limit, following consultation. That rapid action by the Scottish Government was music to my ears, and it contrasted markedly with the typical prevarication of Westminster.

Because of the UK Government’s position, it has not been easy to get a reduction in the drink-driving limit in Scotland. I believe that many lives have been lost or blighted because of the delays caused by the UK Government. As far back as 1997 and again in 1998, the UK Government said that it intended to reduce the limit to 50mg. However, in March 2000, it announced that, because of possible moves to harmonise drink-driving limits in the European Union, it had decided not to lower the limit. In January 2001, the EU did indeed adopt a recommendation proposing harmonisation of the drink-driving limit at 50mg or below, but the UK Government—true to form—announced that it had no plans to reduce the limit as the recommendation was not binding on member states.

The UK Government continued to procrastinate until it said in the second review of its road safety strategy, published in February 2007, that it would keep the case for a reduction in the blood alcohol limit under review. Then, in June 2007, it said that it was once more in favour of a 50mg limit but wanted to see evidence of enforcement of the current 80mg limit by the police before it published a consultation paper later in the year to gauge public opinion. That consultation paper never appeared, and so the prevarication continued and more lives were lost.

Subsequently, I chased up the UK Government in January 2008 and again in April 2008, when I was told that it was pressing ahead with the consultation and that it would give careful consideration to the views of interested parties in Scotland. With the support of the Scottish Government, I continued to press the matter and, eventually, in 2010 the UK Government agreed to devolve powers over the issue.

As a result of the new law there will undoubtedly be fewer accidents and lives lost in Scotland. However, I regret that a similar reduction in the drink-driving limit will not apply in the rest of the UK to cut the loss of life. Every life is precious, so it can only be a good thing that the new law will result in lives being saved. It is significant that, once it had the power, the Scottish Government acted so quickly—unlike Westminster, where the limit is still 80mg, which is unlike every European country bar Malta.

We are fortunate that we have a Scottish Government that is not in the hip pocket of the big booze companies and therefore has no conflict of interest when enacting legislation for the good of the people of Scotland. Long may that continue. My position on drink driving is this: if you are driving, then do not drink; and if you are drinking, then do not drive.

15:54  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11567, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on lowering the drink-drive limit.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
Members will be aware that the Scottish Government has long argued that a lower drink-drive limit will save lives and help to make Scotland’s roads safer. So...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I say at outset that Scottish Labour supports the motion. I will speak to the amendment from Scottish Labour. We have no reservations in our support for the...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the member share my view that we should introduce a graduated driving licence scheme for young drivers? The member will know that the proposal is that n...
Graeme Pearson Lab
The member makes an important point, and I would support that proposal. I was at Stranraer academy yesterday and that very issue was raised out of the blue. ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives support initiatives to make Scotland’s roads safer. The pain, heartache and devastation that the victims—and their families—of dru...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Excuse me, Ms Mitchell. Sandra White has a point of order.
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Could Margaret Mitchell please mention the motion and the amendment that she is speaking to? I have not heard anythin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you for that request for a point of order, but it is not a point of order. The words that Margaret Mitchell chooses to use are a matter for her.
Margaret Mitchell Con
I suggest that Sandra White should listen carefully—she has obviously lost the thread of the argument. Those reports highlight perceived pressures on police...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will do in a minute, if Elaine Murray does not mind—I just want to complete this point. The SPA report identified evidence that “officers perceive a pres...
Elaine Murray Lab
Could Margaret Mitchell clarify the intention of her amendment? As I read it, the suggestion that the application of penalties for exceeding the drink-drivin...
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that point specifically, if Elaine Murray will allow me to develop my argument. Furthermore, the cabinet secretary has emphasised—as does the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be of four minutes, and there is time for interventions. 15:49
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to be taking part in the debate because, as the Cabinet Secretary for Justice said, I have been campaigning to have the drink-driving limit re...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and voice my support for the lowering of the drink-driving limit. Sir Peter North’s report indicated that th...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The recalibration of the breathalyser happened last year. It is very important because the power is reserved, and I think that it would be a great improvemen...
Dr Simpson Lab
I am in favour of that area being devolved appropriately so that we can cover all aspects. We already cover some of them. Do our Scottish courts have the po...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I commend Dave Thompson for his tenacity and the work that he has carried out over the years to bring this change to fruition. I thank him very much for that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The current drink-drive limit was set in 1965. Since then, I am glad to say, perceptions have changed. Public and scientific understanding of the risks has i...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Drink driving has been a scourge on Scotland’s roads for too long, leading to completely unnecessary injuries and deaths, and devastating families and commun...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As a veteran road safety campaigner, I very much welcome the debate this afternoon and, of course, I will be supporting the Scottish Government’s motion. I ...
Dave Thompson SNP
Does David Stewart agree that, to deal with the full range of issues, we need all the powers relating to the matter to be devolved to the Parliament?
David Stewart Lab
I welcome the work that Dave Thompson has done on drink driving. As Dr Richard Simpson mentioned, there are strong arguments for devolving day-to-day adminis...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will address both amendments. The first one—Graeme Pearson’s—is absolutely fine and dandy. In fact, a great deal of the committee conversation and interrog...
Christine Grahame SNP
No, I have only four minutes. I want to support Margaret Mitchell’s amendment but she will need to clarify what it means, for goodness’ sake. The committee ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit is important, and I fully agree with the motion and the Labour Party’s amendment. The UK currently has the highest drink-driv...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As already stated, a drink-driving limit has been in place since 1965. Since then, social attitudes towards those who drink drive have changed; they have cha...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit will make Scotland’s roads safer. We all know that alcohol affects a driver’s judgment and reaction times, and that the risk o...