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Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2014

05 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tackling Sectarianism
Allard, Christian SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

We can all agree that we have a problem and that we need to talk about it. The key in this debate, inside or outside the chamber, is that sectarianism needs to be talked about, but it has to stop being aired through a megaphone.

It would be great if there were a scapegoat or we could find somebody who is responsible for the present level of sectarianism in Scotland, because that would mean that we could get rid of the problem in an instant. Let us be clear: it is not going to work like that. It never does.

We can all agree that this is about more than legislation; we need a cultural change that could be led from the Parliament. It is important to realise that we all in Parliament have a responsibility when it comes to the tone that we use when we talk about sectarianism.

Elaine Murray’s motion makes two important points, which I would like to address. First, it talks about a failure of our committees to address the report that was published by the advisory group on tackling sectarianism in Scotland. The Labour Party’s motion then asks us to repeal the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012.

Let me deal with the second part of the motion first. I cannot be the Labour Party’s scapegoat today; I was not yet an MSP when the bill came to Parliament. However, as a member of the Justice Committee, I was aware that section 11 of act states that the Scottish Ministers are required to report to Parliament. The minister has repeated what we already knew: the Justice Committee’s members are aware that the report will cover two full football seasons and the evaluation report will be laid before Parliament within 12 months of the end of the previous football season. In March, the committee members heard the minister rule out an early review of the act. Christine Grahame, the committee’s convener is right: we were all there when that happened. Nothing has changed since.

I also happen to be a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee. On the first part of the motion about a failure of our committee system to address the report that was published by the advisory group on tackling sectarianism in Scotland—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11395, in the name of Elaine Murray, on tackling sectarianism. I will allow a few moments for members, pa...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
When, on 14 December 2011, the Scottish Government used its majority to railroad through the Parliament the controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football and...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that—
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can we have Christine Grahame’s microphone on, please?
Christine Grahame SNP
My card is in, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer NPA
It is working now.
Christine Grahame SNP
I know that I have a big voice, but I will obey the rules. Does the member accept that, on 4 March this year, the Justice Committee took substantial evidenc...
Elaine Murray Lab
Indeed, but I am talking about an in-depth investigation by committees and, in particular, discussion by the Parliament given its interest in the legislation...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
Sorry, but I had better press on. The frustration of the anti-sectarianism campaigners Nil by Mouth has built up to such a stage that, before the October r...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The Equal Opportunities Committee did look at the report and agreed that, because the advisory group was carrying on, it would look at it again in future—whi...
Elaine Murray Lab
I have seen the letter from the convener of the committee. As a member of the Justice Committee, which could also look at the report, I accept that parliamen...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
No. I am afraid that I must get on. I know that we will hear from the Government that it committed £9 million over three years to research, education and co...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I assure everyone in the chamber that this Government remains completely committed to tackling sectarianism. The level of that commitment can be seen in the ...
Elaine Murray Lab
How many of those 44 funded projects will continue after March next year? Has any evaluation of their success been undertaken?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Of course that is happening. No project has any right to assume that funding will continue without its outcomes being assessed, and that is one of the key jo...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Labour on allocating its parliamentary time to a debate on this important issue. Expressions of religious hatred, regardless of how they are ...
John Mason SNP
Does the member think that legislation was or can be part of the answer or that it must be purely about education?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that precise point. In 2011, that act was railroaded through by the SNP majority Government in the face of opposition from Scottish Conservat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be four minutes, please. Time is fairly tight. 15:03
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
We can all agree that we have a problem and that we need to talk about it. The key in this debate, inside or outside the chamber, is that sectarianism needs ...
Elaine Murray Lab
Can I just make a point of information about that?
Christian Allard SNP
First, let me read out to Elaine Murray a letter dated 1 April from our convener Margaret McCulloch, to Dr Morrow. The letter is important because it says wh...
Elaine Murray Lab
My motion does not comment on the failure of any committee; rather, it comments on the fact that Parliament has not discussed the report. That is the importa...
Christian Allard SNP
The motion refers to scrutiny by a committee. It may be that the motion is not drafted properly, so perhaps Elaine Murray will welcome the Scottish Governmen...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Have you finished your speech?
Christian Allard SNP
Did I have four minutes?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes. You have finished your speech. 15:07
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
The forthcoming old firm match has attracted the media’s attention even though it is three months away. Although it has been nearly three years since they la...