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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2014

05 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tackling Sectarianism

I will come to that precise point.

In 2011, that act was railroaded through by the SNP majority Government in the face of opposition from Scottish Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats, who all voted against it. Those Opposition parties were not alone in their criticisms of the 2012 act. In 2013, Sheriff Richard Davidson said that it was

“horribly drafted”

and that

“Somehow the word mince comes to mind.”

His voice is only one of those in the legal profession who have spoken out against it.

Where clarity was sought, the act introduced vague, catch-all offences that some argue are very much at odds with civil liberties. In other words, the SNP response to the deeply complex issue was to introduce legislation that has served only to create confusion. Consequently—to answer Mr Mason’s point—that legislation should be repealed now in view of the fact that existing laws that do not vilify certain sections of society could easily be used to greater effect. For that reason, the Scottish Conservatives will vote for the motion and against the amendment.

The legislation, which was the SNP’s top-down response, is self-evidently not the answer to the problem. If Scotland’s sectarianism is to be eliminated, the root causes must be tackled.

The Morrow report confirms the inherent complexities of sectarianism where it exists in Scotland. It also stresses that the impact of sectarianism varies from community to community and that it is not a one-size-fits-all issue. In particular, it highlights the importance of community-led activity as the way to overcome sectarianism.

I very much welcome that approach, having been fortunate enough to see at first hand when I visited the Machan Trust’s project in Larkhall how such activity can make a transformative difference in the lives of young people. That project, which seeks to tackle sectarianism, ran successfully in bringing children and young adults of all religions and none together to participate in collaborative activities. Furthermore, YouthLink Scotland has seen proven success by addressing the issue through youth work with its action on sectarianism web portal.

Those initiatives endeavour to work with a local community where sectarian issues exist in order to educate rather than punish. As such, they are surely an example of the best way to overcome the sectarian divide.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11395, in the name of Elaine Murray, on tackling sectarianism. I will allow a few moments for members, pa...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
When, on 14 December 2011, the Scottish Government used its majority to railroad through the Parliament the controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football and...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that—
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can we have Christine Grahame’s microphone on, please?
Christine Grahame SNP
My card is in, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer NPA
It is working now.
Christine Grahame SNP
I know that I have a big voice, but I will obey the rules. Does the member accept that, on 4 March this year, the Justice Committee took substantial evidenc...
Elaine Murray Lab
Indeed, but I am talking about an in-depth investigation by committees and, in particular, discussion by the Parliament given its interest in the legislation...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
Sorry, but I had better press on. The frustration of the anti-sectarianism campaigners Nil by Mouth has built up to such a stage that, before the October r...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The Equal Opportunities Committee did look at the report and agreed that, because the advisory group was carrying on, it would look at it again in future—whi...
Elaine Murray Lab
I have seen the letter from the convener of the committee. As a member of the Justice Committee, which could also look at the report, I accept that parliamen...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
No. I am afraid that I must get on. I know that we will hear from the Government that it committed £9 million over three years to research, education and co...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I assure everyone in the chamber that this Government remains completely committed to tackling sectarianism. The level of that commitment can be seen in the ...
Elaine Murray Lab
How many of those 44 funded projects will continue after March next year? Has any evaluation of their success been undertaken?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Of course that is happening. No project has any right to assume that funding will continue without its outcomes being assessed, and that is one of the key jo...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Labour on allocating its parliamentary time to a debate on this important issue. Expressions of religious hatred, regardless of how they are ...
John Mason SNP
Does the member think that legislation was or can be part of the answer or that it must be purely about education?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that precise point. In 2011, that act was railroaded through by the SNP majority Government in the face of opposition from Scottish Conservat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be four minutes, please. Time is fairly tight. 15:03
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
We can all agree that we have a problem and that we need to talk about it. The key in this debate, inside or outside the chamber, is that sectarianism needs ...
Elaine Murray Lab
Can I just make a point of information about that?
Christian Allard SNP
First, let me read out to Elaine Murray a letter dated 1 April from our convener Margaret McCulloch, to Dr Morrow. The letter is important because it says wh...
Elaine Murray Lab
My motion does not comment on the failure of any committee; rather, it comments on the fact that Parliament has not discussed the report. That is the importa...
Christian Allard SNP
The motion refers to scrutiny by a committee. It may be that the motion is not drafted properly, so perhaps Elaine Murray will welcome the Scottish Governmen...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Have you finished your speech?
Christian Allard SNP
Did I have four minutes?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes. You have finished your speech. 15:07
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
The forthcoming old firm match has attracted the media’s attention even though it is three months away. Although it has been nearly three years since they la...