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Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2014

05 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Tackling Sectarianism
Cunningham, Roseanna SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

I assure everyone in the chamber that this Government remains completely committed to tackling sectarianism. The level of that commitment can be seen in the immense amount of work that has been undertaken over the past three years.

Elaine Murray talked at length about the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012, which in our view has a clear role to play in meeting the commitment that was made. There are welcome indications of success—offences of religious hatred and offending under the act have decreased, so it is working.

It is important to remember that the act was brought in for a reason—to tackle offensive and abusive behaviour at and around football. In recent days, we have been reminded why the act is needed by the online abuse, including threats of violence and death, that has been sent to players and their families. People need to remember the extraordinarily heated atmosphere in which the legislation emerged.

We have never tried to claim that sectarianism is confined to football, which is why we have invested a record £9 million over three years to tackle this scourge through a range of activities. That has been the biggest commitment that any Government in Scotland has ever made to anti-sectarianism. As was stated in the draft budget last month, I am making a further commitment to invest more than £3 million in 2015-16 to support community-based initiatives to tackle sectarianism and to further develop our understanding through research, while continuing to support work to tackle racial or ethnic hatred. It is a pity that Elaine Murray did not read that line in the draft budget.

When I came into this job, I had two very clear aims for the anti-sectarianism agenda. The first was to ensure that the work that we were supporting was getting into communities and tackling the problems that they were experiencing, and the second was to build a robust research and knowledge base on the nature and extent of sectarianism in modern Scotland so that future policy could be made on the basis of evidence and not innuendo. When I first came into this job, I remember being quite shocked to discover that there was virtually no information or evidence base available in Scotland. We have spent considerable time and money beginning to put that work into place to ensure that we have the necessary evidence in future.

That is why I have ensured that our work is a good example of what we are calling the Scottish approach, which is informed by the Christie commission. It is an approach that is assets based and which places the needs of communities at the centre of the agenda. There are 44 community-based projects, which are bottom up and not top down. They are allowing us to get to the heart of the issue as it is experienced by communities. The solutions that are emerging are being tailored to the specific issues that are identified.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11395, in the name of Elaine Murray, on tackling sectarianism. I will allow a few moments for members, pa...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
When, on 14 December 2011, the Scottish Government used its majority to railroad through the Parliament the controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football and...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that—
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can we have Christine Grahame’s microphone on, please?
Christine Grahame SNP
My card is in, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer NPA
It is working now.
Christine Grahame SNP
I know that I have a big voice, but I will obey the rules. Does the member accept that, on 4 March this year, the Justice Committee took substantial evidenc...
Elaine Murray Lab
Indeed, but I am talking about an in-depth investigation by committees and, in particular, discussion by the Parliament given its interest in the legislation...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
Sorry, but I had better press on. The frustration of the anti-sectarianism campaigners Nil by Mouth has built up to such a stage that, before the October r...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The Equal Opportunities Committee did look at the report and agreed that, because the advisory group was carrying on, it would look at it again in future—whi...
Elaine Murray Lab
I have seen the letter from the convener of the committee. As a member of the Justice Committee, which could also look at the report, I accept that parliamen...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
No. I am afraid that I must get on. I know that we will hear from the Government that it committed £9 million over three years to research, education and co...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I assure everyone in the chamber that this Government remains completely committed to tackling sectarianism. The level of that commitment can be seen in the ...
Elaine Murray Lab
How many of those 44 funded projects will continue after March next year? Has any evaluation of their success been undertaken?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Of course that is happening. No project has any right to assume that funding will continue without its outcomes being assessed, and that is one of the key jo...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Labour on allocating its parliamentary time to a debate on this important issue. Expressions of religious hatred, regardless of how they are ...
John Mason SNP
Does the member think that legislation was or can be part of the answer or that it must be purely about education?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that precise point. In 2011, that act was railroaded through by the SNP majority Government in the face of opposition from Scottish Conservat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be four minutes, please. Time is fairly tight. 15:03
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
We can all agree that we have a problem and that we need to talk about it. The key in this debate, inside or outside the chamber, is that sectarianism needs ...
Elaine Murray Lab
Can I just make a point of information about that?
Christian Allard SNP
First, let me read out to Elaine Murray a letter dated 1 April from our convener Margaret McCulloch, to Dr Morrow. The letter is important because it says wh...
Elaine Murray Lab
My motion does not comment on the failure of any committee; rather, it comments on the fact that Parliament has not discussed the report. That is the importa...
Christian Allard SNP
The motion refers to scrutiny by a committee. It may be that the motion is not drafted properly, so perhaps Elaine Murray will welcome the Scottish Governmen...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Have you finished your speech?
Christian Allard SNP
Did I have four minutes?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes. You have finished your speech. 15:07
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
The forthcoming old firm match has attracted the media’s attention even though it is three months away. Although it has been nearly three years since they la...