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Meeting of the Parliament 06 February 2014

06 Feb 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
New Psychoactive Substances

I am grateful to the minister for outlining the understanding that the Government has developed in relation to new psychoactive substances. I also acknowledge the contribution thus far from members and their understanding of the challenge that we face, in particular Graeme Dey, who has outlined some understanding of the technical difficulties that lie beyond the initial challenge.

The problem was outlined and responded to earlier: 47 families in Scotland suffered a death in 2012 as a direct consequence of the use of new psychoactive substances. Lying behind each of those deaths is an international challenge, because many of the chemicals that are involved in new psychoactive substances are sourced in bulk from China and India.

No legal framework is available to control the development of new psychoactive substances outcomes, as the chemists involved gradually change the formula that lies behind the chemicals, thereby extending their reach outwith criminality. There is a supply chain for class A drugs that is currently used across Europe to deliver new psychoactive substances into the European market. The Netherlands, Belgium and Turkey play a major part as a nexus for that supply chain.

Importantly, from the point of view of those who sell new psychoactive substances this is profit largely without jail and this is profit largely without tax. This is a business that has developed with an amoral approach: although they know full well that those who purchase new psychoactive substances are taking a chance and consuming dangerous drugs, the sellers pretend to all and sundry that the products are not for human consumption. They are kidding no one with that approach, but in the absence of an ability to carry out presumptive tests on all the substances that are available, it is difficult for the authorities to maintain a current understanding of the challenge.

Often, as was referred to earlier, class A drugs are found within the legal high supply. Those legal highs, as they are called by young people, can have a higher strength impact than the class A drug that they seek to replace. The stimulant MDPV, which appeared for the first time in 2008, has been responsible for 100 known deaths across Europe since then and hundreds of incidents in various countries across the world, so it is a problem that affects more than Scotland.

A pattern is developing. The drug is created, introduced to the market and promoted largely on the internet. People consume the drug and its fame is transferred by word by mouth. It is viewed by the authorities and, once it is discovered, it is tested and becomes regulated and the content is made illegal. As a result, the use of the drug falls significantly but, by that time, the chemist has moved on.

We have had the experience of BZP, GBL and other drugs that have gone through that process. Such drugs have been sold as fish food or plant food not for human consumption, and yet their role on the internet is well understood.

What should we do? What do we need to understand in taking things forward? Many aspects have already been covered in earlier speeches. We need to connect our statistical analysis to the database that is maintained by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction. Statistics held there in relation to Scotland and the UK are poor in the extreme. We should be updating the centre with our information and receiving information about the trends that it identifies.

We should initiate more testing of recoveries in order to identify new substances as they come on to the market. For those substances that are recovered without engagement with an accused, it is important that we identify the detail of what they contain.

Education has been mentioned, and it is clear that young people and their parents have not been educated about the impact of so-called legal highs in our communities. To some extent we have lost ground, as legal highs are well understood by teenagers who react to the sales of such substances in their own communities.

We should engage with HM Revenue and Customs. The people who sell these substances are making substantial profits, and we are entitled to know whether those profits are being declared. If they are not, HMRC should pay attention. That would put pressure on the sales, and we could achieve the desired outcome by a different method.

Members have mentioned trading standards, for which product safety is an issue, and it is clear that they should become involved. We should monitor imminent European legislation that may assist us in dealing with the new psychoactive challenge.

Ireland introduced legislation in 2010 to attack the use of psychoactive substances and their effects. However, the problem is that, once a case arrives at court, it becomes very challenging to produce a prosecution. As the minister indicated, the evidence from New Zealand is in its early days, but it does not look particularly promising in terms of taking us forward to a solution.

Our young people need to know that these drugs are dangerous and should be avoided. We should encourage parents to ensure that our younger generations avoid new psychoactive substances at all costs.

15:46

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08950, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on responding to the challenges of new psychoactive substances...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—my device is charging as I speak. I remind members that we live in a time when the international drug market is changing profou...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister tell us when the fieldwork will start for SALSUS?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I will advise the member separately on precisely when the fieldwork will be done. I think that the survey is done biannually, so probably the fieldwork will ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to take part in the debate, as it is important that we highlight the issue in Parliament. As we know, human beings have always had a propensity ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I am conscious that the lady did more chemistry than I did, but I know where she did it because I did it at the same place. Surely one of the realities of or...
Elaine Murray Lab
That is absolutely correct. There will always be other substances in these products. They might not be active but we do not know that, and because we have no...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Although I can claim to have a higher in chemistry, I cannot claim to have the depth of knowledge of Elaine Murray or even Nigel Don, who intervened on her. ...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
One thing that can be said about the rise of new psychoactive substances is that there is unanimity inside and outwith the Parliament both in the recognition...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for outlining the understanding that the Government has developed in relation to new psychoactive substances. I also acknowledg...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
We should be grateful for that contribution from Graeme Pearson, in which he shared his experience from his former role in the then Scottish Crime and Drug E...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I, too, am grateful to the minister for arranging this debate and for providing an update on how the Scottish Government is seeking to confront the challenge...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the minister and fellow members for their speeches, which have been constructive. We all agree that something has to be done about new psychoactive s...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
We live in an increasingly complex world. Global trade and communications have changed so much about the way we live and the nature of the challenges that so...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
As other members have said, the issue is complex. It is fair to say that, if there were a simple solution to it, we would probably have arrived at it by now....
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Drugs policy is very much on my mind at the moment, not least because I am halfway through season 3 of “Breaking Bad”, which I am sure that many members are ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I call Dennis Robertson. 16:23
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I would have been happy to stay seated and let Kezia Dugdale continue. The debate has been interesting and consensual. We have heard that we have many more ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
As many colleagues have said, the issue is complicated, and we are all a bit wiser thanks to the briefings that we have had from a number of organisations. H...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
We have heard many excellent speeches. I welcome the debate. Kezia Dugdale made a good point about the term “legal high”. We do not want to be seen to be ad...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been a really constructive debate that many members have added to through their expertise and learning. I hope that the minister has found it helpfu...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Roseanna Cunningham to wind up. Ms Cunningham, if you could continue until 5 pm I would be obliged. 16:51
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I thank members for their valuable contributions this afternoon, which have highlighted the complexity of the issue. Between us we have covered every potenti...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You can sit down slowly in the next five seconds.
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer—I hope that the Presiding Officers have enjoyed the debate too. Applause.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Cunningham, I am obliged.