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Meeting of the Parliament 06 February 2014

06 Feb 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
New Psychoactive Substances
Johnstone, Alex Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Although I can claim to have a higher in chemistry, I cannot claim to have the depth of knowledge of Elaine Murray or even Nigel Don, who intervened on her. I will therefore avoid some of the critical issues that have been mentioned previously.

Nevertheless, I take the opportunity to welcome the debate. Although the issue of new psychoactive substances has been subject to question and previous discussion in Parliament, the fact that this is the first Government debate on the subject indicates the importance that the Government attaches to the issue and its determination to deal with the problems that it has raised. I will therefore happily vote for the motion tonight and, of course, for the Labour Party amendment.

The fact that we are dealing with this problem should not be taken in isolation. We have had similar problems in the past when a craze for a substance has led to significant health problems, particularly among young people. Many members will be aware of the problems that existed because of the inhalation of solvents some time ago. That did eventually pass, and we all welcome that it did.

Many of the problems that we are addressing today were addressed in some form at that time. I was delighted to hear from the minister that Police Scotland is looking at the possibility of working with trading standards to ensure that the use of these substances is not unfettered and that planning and licensing laws are being considered as options.

I was aware that there was a problem with new psychoactive substances, but its extent was brought home to me surprisingly quickly during the Christmas recess. I was contacted by a number of people in the Arbroath area who had experienced quite acute problems as a result of the sale of these substances.

In Arbroath, the issue of so-called legal highs remains a grave concern to parents and other residents, because these substances are not sold furtively, as one might expect, but openly from ordinary retail premises. That gives them a facade of acceptability and safety, which they do not have and which, in the opinion of many, they should never have had.

Before the Arbroath against legal highs group was formally founded, I met Arbroath residents and a number of Angus councillors in December, who wished to express their frustration that these products, which were being sold as plant food, research chemicals or, in one case, as incense, were so freely available, without any kind of licensing and that, consequently, the local authority had very little ability to challenge their sale.

The meeting that I attended was a catalyst for forming the group. Its Facebook page attracted hundreds of people within hours of it being set up. The current membership stands at more than 1,800. Substantial interest has been expressed through that route.

The Arbroath campaign has had considerable coverage in the local media. That reflects local concerns, which are exacerbated by the fact that one of the shops selling the substances opened just two doors down from a support centre that helps people with addiction issues. Another has opened directly across the road from the award-winning community alcohol free environment—CAFE—project, which works with vulnerable and marginalised young people.

It is clear to me that everything that can be done to address the issue of the sale of these products must be done. I know that the concerns are not limited to Arbroath; others around Scotland and further afield are rightly protesting at the easy availability of these substances, which can do so much harm to those who take them under the misunderstanding that they are somehow legal.

The reason why the term “legal high” is so dangerous is that if the substances are described as “legal highs” there can be a misunderstanding that they are somehow acceptable or safe. In fact, the problem is that they have not been tested or regulated and we do not know whether they are safe. As a result, some young people in particular take the substances believing that there is some kind of protection associated with the term “legal high” when, in fact, exactly the reverse is the case.

The work of the campaign in Arbroath goes on, and I commend whole-heartedly those who are involved for how they have conducted themselves, often in the face of overt hostility from those in some quarters who wish to see the trade continue. The situation must not be allowed to continue. I urge both Governments, north and south of the border, and all relevant organisations to work together to find a solution to a problem that continues to exercise those who genuinely care for their communities.

In dealing with this problem, we will have to cast the net wide. We have already heard at some length from the minister how she intends to deal with the problem when the opportunity arises. In this age of the internet, it is increasingly dangerous to control these substances. As a consequence, I believe that it is necessary for us to work hard to educate young people in particular that it is not acceptable to use such substances of any kind simply for recreational purposes.

The use of drugs in our society has caused many problems over the years. Some of our biggest problems are associated with drugs that have already been mentioned. I believe that that problem is gradually beginning to become less serious, not least because of the work that has been done by successive Governments to overcome it. It would be such a disappointment if, at the time of a potential victory, we found ourselves facing another wave of substance abuse. That is why we must stamp on this hard now.

15:34

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08950, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on responding to the challenges of new psychoactive substances...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—my device is charging as I speak. I remind members that we live in a time when the international drug market is changing profou...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister tell us when the fieldwork will start for SALSUS?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I will advise the member separately on precisely when the fieldwork will be done. I think that the survey is done biannually, so probably the fieldwork will ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to take part in the debate, as it is important that we highlight the issue in Parliament. As we know, human beings have always had a propensity ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I am conscious that the lady did more chemistry than I did, but I know where she did it because I did it at the same place. Surely one of the realities of or...
Elaine Murray Lab
That is absolutely correct. There will always be other substances in these products. They might not be active but we do not know that, and because we have no...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Although I can claim to have a higher in chemistry, I cannot claim to have the depth of knowledge of Elaine Murray or even Nigel Don, who intervened on her. ...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
One thing that can be said about the rise of new psychoactive substances is that there is unanimity inside and outwith the Parliament both in the recognition...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for outlining the understanding that the Government has developed in relation to new psychoactive substances. I also acknowledg...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
We should be grateful for that contribution from Graeme Pearson, in which he shared his experience from his former role in the then Scottish Crime and Drug E...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I, too, am grateful to the minister for arranging this debate and for providing an update on how the Scottish Government is seeking to confront the challenge...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the minister and fellow members for their speeches, which have been constructive. We all agree that something has to be done about new psychoactive s...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
We live in an increasingly complex world. Global trade and communications have changed so much about the way we live and the nature of the challenges that so...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
As other members have said, the issue is complex. It is fair to say that, if there were a simple solution to it, we would probably have arrived at it by now....
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Drugs policy is very much on my mind at the moment, not least because I am halfway through season 3 of “Breaking Bad”, which I am sure that many members are ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I call Dennis Robertson. 16:23
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I would have been happy to stay seated and let Kezia Dugdale continue. The debate has been interesting and consensual. We have heard that we have many more ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
As many colleagues have said, the issue is complicated, and we are all a bit wiser thanks to the briefings that we have had from a number of organisations. H...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
We have heard many excellent speeches. I welcome the debate. Kezia Dugdale made a good point about the term “legal high”. We do not want to be seen to be ad...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been a really constructive debate that many members have added to through their expertise and learning. I hope that the minister has found it helpfu...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Roseanna Cunningham to wind up. Ms Cunningham, if you could continue until 5 pm I would be obliged. 16:51
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I thank members for their valuable contributions this afternoon, which have highlighted the complexity of the issue. Between us we have covered every potenti...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You can sit down slowly in the next five seconds.
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer—I hope that the Presiding Officers have enjoyed the debate too. Applause.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Cunningham, I am obliged.