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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 October 2014

08 Oct 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Policing

We have come a long way since the early stages of reform and the arrangements are now much more effective. The SPA stands for not simply holding the police to account but strengthening the very principle and practice of policing by consent, which is something that we can all support.

We should applaud the continued strong performance of our police and recognise that Police Scotland, working with the SPA, is listening to concerns and acting on them. Unlike Mr Pearson and his colleagues, this Government will never use policing as a political football to score cheap points. We must not undermine officers and staff.

This week, Brian Docherty, the chairman of the Scottish Police Federation, expressed grave concern about some politicians engaging in point scoring. That is exactly what we have seen today, and it is especially disappointing at a time when policing has been widely praised following the outstanding policing of the Commonwealth games, the Ryder cup and, of course, the referendum.

This is a time to celebrate Scottish policing, not to castigate those who serve us with such distinction. I reject the terms of Mr Pearson’s motion and propose an alternative.

I move amendment S4M-11114.2, to leave out from first “believes” to end and insert:

“acknowledges that policing in Scotland continues to perform excellently and, despite UK Government cuts, reform has ensured that crime remains at a 39-year-low, violent crime is down by almost half, crimes of handling offensive weapons are down by 60%, homicides are at their lowest since records began, police numbers are 1,000 higher than they were in 2007, compared to more than 14,000 officers being axed since 2007 in England and Wales, and confidence in the police is high and rising; recognises that Police Scotland listened to public views and opinions about stop and search and armed police and adjusted its approaches accordingly; further recognises that the current Scottish Police Authority and HM Inspector of Constabulary in Scotland scrutiny reviews will enhance the way that policing relates to the people and communities it serves; notes that, during the passage of the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012, members from across the Parliament stressed the importance of ensuring that there is no political interference in policing, and, following a period where Scotland’s policing has been so strongly in the international spotlight at the Commonwealth Games and Ryder Cup, calls on the Parliament to recognise the very positive impact of Police Scotland and to congratulate officers and staff for their excellent work.”

15:26  
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The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11114, in the name of Graeme Pearson, on policing. 15:09
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is with some disappointment that I feel the need to move this motion. It is my belief that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has abandoned his responsibil...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
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Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
If that is the case—if there is that causation—why did crime in England and Wales fall 15 per cent last year, and why is it at its lowest point since records...
Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Graeme Pearson Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
In a minute. Let me be clear: operational independence is different from accountability. The chief constable is solely responsible for decisions to enforce ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
I am coming into my last minute. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Kenny MacAskill SNP
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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It is important to stress at the outset that since Police Scotland was formed more than 18 months ago, front-line police officers have worked tremendously ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The member must conclude.
Margaret Mitchell Con
It is the cabinet secretary’s duty to ensure the effectiveness of the checks and balances that should guarantee the enforcement of essential accountability f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that the member must close.
Margaret Mitchell Con
In that respect, the cabinet secretary’s stewardship has been totally inept. I move amendment S4M-11114.1, to leave out from “responsibility” to end and ins...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We are very tight for time this afternoon. If members wish to speak in the debate, they must press their request-to-speak button. Members must stick to a ver...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Graeme Pearson, in his opening speech, asked, “Who watches the watchers?”, and his motion mentions responsibility, accountability, scrutiny and challenge. I...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Does the member agree that the fact that there are now only five or maybe six Labour members in the chamber and the fact that only half the afternoon has bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You are approaching your final minute, Mr Stewart.
Kevin Stewart SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Come to a close, please.
Kevin Stewart SNP
From some members, we have seen flip-flopping on the issue to create instability and to interfere and point score.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must close.
Kevin Stewart SNP
That has got to stop.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Members must keep strictly to four minutes, please. 15:36
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
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Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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