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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2014

15 May 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Animal Rights and Human Responsibilities
Stevenson, Stewart SNP Banffshire and Buchan Coast Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Christine Grahame on securing the debate and on arranging the spectacularly interesting and engaging display that we have in two locations in Holyrood. I am slightly worried that my two cats, Malcolm and Donald, will hold me to account for submitting their photograph without their permission, but I guess that I will just need to live with that.

As he did on many subjects, Winston Churchill had something to say on the subject of animals. He said:

“Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.”

He was a great fan of pigs. Like millions of others, I am a lower form of being, and am at the bottom of the pecking order—certainly in our house.

When Christine Grahame said that we are a wee bit higher up the evolutionary scale, I am not sure that she is correct. The fruit fly has eight chromosomes and man has 46. However, hermit crabs have 254 and the Ophioglossum fern has 768. More fundamentally, the Oxytricha trifallax has 15,600 chromosomes—2,000 copies of each of them in a single cell. Perhaps that animal does not engage with us because it is so intelligent. We will never know—it is not interested in the lower form of being that we are.

The motion talks about farmed animals and wild creatures, but I do not think that anyone has said much about wild creatures so far. Where I live, we have badgers about 400m away. We have roe deer—we once had 20 of them in the garden. We have foxes and weasels—I have seen a weasel drag off a young rabbit about 10 times its size. Of course, we also have those interlopers that the Normans brought about 1,000 years ago: rabbits.

In the country, we also have lots of farmed animals of one sort or another. All those farmed, wild and companion animals occupy important ecological niches and interact with each other.

Alex Fergusson rightly referred to hearing dogs, and we have dogs that help people without sight. We also have dogs that look after people with failing mental faculties and keep them from danger. Animals are a very important part of many people’s lives. The widowed or deserted can have long conversations with their companions, maintaining mental alertness, and the daily walk with a dog maintains physical fitness in many of our older people.

A well-cared-for, well-regarded animal companion who has been trained to understand proper relations with humans—it may be boisterous but may not bite—can gain, just as we do. We protect such animals from hunger, disease, debility and danger. We also have duties to them. We must keep the sheep from the goats—Ezekiel 34:17, in the Bible, makes reference to that practice from many years ago. Specifically, we have a duty to neuter our cats, as our failure to neuter an adequately high proportion of our cats is diluting the stock of Scottish wildcats to the point that there are now fewer pure-bred wildcats left than even the threatened Bengal tiger.

I will close by illustrating one businesslady’s attitude to her animals. Halfway between here and my home in Banffshire is Peggy Scott’s restaurant on the A90. Unless they have talked to the owner, few people will realise that Dawn Scott always names her businesses after her pets. Peggy Scott is actually a wee dug, and she has her own restaurant.

13:02

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I ask Parliament’s guests who are leaving the gallery to note that Parliament is in session and to leave as quickly and quietly as possible, please. The nex...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
After all the hubris of a few minutes ago, I am delighted to say that the debate will—I hope—be consensual and friendly across the chamber. There will be no ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Yes, I do.
Christine Grahame SNP
That is all part of animals living the life that is intended for them. People must learn to live with animals’ lifestyle—they need to get a lot of carpet cle...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the open debate. I call Alex Fergusson, and note that he has to leave the chamber early. 12:44
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for your indulgence in allowing me to leave the chamber early. I mean no offence in doing so. I congratulate Christine Grahame...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I thought that the heading for the motion was particularly good, as it includes both rights and responsibilities. Both human beings and animals have rights b...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Christine Grahame on bringing this motion to the chamber and on her organisation, with the Dogs Trust and OneKind, of the displays in Parliame...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Christine Grahame on securing the debate and on arranging the spectacularly interesting and engaging display that we have in two locations in ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Christine Grahame on lodging the motion. I feel slightly uneasy following a farmer and four members who have massive experience of pets and ot...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I thank my colleague Christine Grahame for proposing the motion and the other colleagues who have contributed so ably to the debate. I also welcome to the Pa...
Christine Grahame SNP
It would be helpful to add to the catalogue of helpful animals those in prisons. The Dogs Trust has rescued Staffordshire terriers, which get an undeserved b...
Richard Lochhead SNP
That is a good example. In the UK, there are more than 5,000 active Pets As Therapy dogs and a smaller number of cats working to bring the opportunity to str...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
That concludes Christine Grahame’s debate on animal rights and human responsibilities. 13:15 Meeting suspended. 14:30 On resuming—