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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2014

28 May 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Future
Rennie, Willie LD Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I am not going to take an intervention.

Thanks to research that has been done by SPICe, we know that a 6 per cent rise in the female workforce is equivalent to approximately 104,000 women moving into work. However, in 2011, only 15,000 women of working age with children aged 1 to 5 said that they were looking for work, and 64,000 women were inactive, with the majority of those citing looking after family as the reason for not working. Only 14,000 of those said that they would like to work. Put simply, there are not enough women of working age with children to fulfil the SNP’s childcare plan.

The fact is that the SNP and the Scottish Government could act now to improve the childcare that we offer. Thanks to the UK’s budget and the improving economic conditions, the Scottish Government has the money now to implement in full the same childcare package as England. That would mean that 40 per cent of two-year-olds—rather than the figure that we currently have—would receive free nursery education, from this autumn. I welcome the figure that has been given, but we are not even matching what England is doing.

I agree with parts of the Government’s amendment, especially on the importance of cross-party work on the issue and the value of the partnership commission for childcare reform as part of Children in Scotland’s childcare alliance. However, the SNP has played fast and loose on nursery education for too long. First, it held back on action in order to offer a carrot for independence, and now it exaggerates the numbers in order to make the case for independence.

I understand that SNP members are genuinely passionate about independence, but they must not allow that to emasculate this important area of public policy. The future of our children is more important than their passion for independence.

I am pleased that the Labour Party’s motion acknowledges the continuing importance of the issue, so we will support it today. Education can never be taken away, no matter what happens to a person. A solid education gives people skills to fall back on, and pride in their achievements that cannot be taken away. Education stands alone in that enduring legacy of opportunity.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10131, in the name of Kezia Dugdale, on Scotland’s future. Time is extremely tight this afternoon, so the...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. When the white paper was published in November, I was as surprised as the next person to see that childcare was front and cent...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell) SNP
The Government has a significant and positive track record of achievement when it comes to childcare, so I welcome any opportunity to talk about the issue, a...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order. Let us hear the minister.
Aileen Campbell SNP
Achieving all that will be one of the major gains of independence. The experts agree with that premise. Interruption. Labour members may laugh, but if they ...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Aileen Campbell SNP
On the point about negativity, I give way to Neil Bibby.
Neil Bibby Lab
The minister has talked a lot about the childcare policy in the white paper. What will the total cost of the policy be, and how will it be paid for?
Aileen Campbell SNP
I always listen to the cabinet secretary, who has just said, “Independence is the answer.” That is exactly right. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Aileen Campbell SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Bibby, will you stop shouting at the minister across the chamber?
Aileen Campbell SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in her last minute.
Aileen Campbell SNP
I did not realise that the fag packet to which Kezia Dugdale referred this morning was about her own party’s policies. My goodness! Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is in her last minute, Ms Dugdale.
Aileen Campbell SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You should draw to a close, please.
Aileen Campbell SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
No, no furthermores, thank you. You should draw to a close.
Aileen Campbell SNP
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Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
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Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will Willie Rennie take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
No. I know that the minister will say that there is detail, but one “illustrative example” is not sufficient. We cannot trust the Government’s analysis beca...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will Willie Rennie take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Draw to a close, please.
Willie Rennie LD
We should do everything that we can to ensure that every child in Scotland benefits from education.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mary Scanlon has up to six minutes. We are very tight for time today. 15:41
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It was a bit rich for the minister to tell the Labour Party to listen and learn when the Government is debating its white paper flagship policy today with a ...