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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2014

02 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health

This has been a useful debate. I want to draw it together in a consensual fashion, because our mental health debates have largely had a consensus around them.

I am sure that members will recognise that, when we published the mental health strategy in 2012, it was in order to build on the good work that had already been done on the back of the earlier strategy and to continue to make that progress and increase the pace where possible. There was also a strong consensus among stakeholders that that was the right approach to take, and that we needed to build on the previous commitments and continue that progress.

Some members have asked about what progress has been made. The Scottish Government website keeps up-to-date information on the 36 commitments that were set out in the strategy. Seven commitments have been completed; 23 commitments are well under way; and four commitments are scheduled for work in 2014-15. A considerable amount of work has already been done as part of the implementation of the mental health strategy.

Jim Hume and others have mentioned the Grant report, which was extremely useful 10 years ago in providing us with an insight into the situation in our mental health services at a national level. The work that we are presently undertaking, which has already been commissioned, will enable us to get another report, 10 years on, to see exactly what progress has been made since 2003, and also to see where the challenges remain, which will enable us to focus in on them much more effectively. To complement that, later this year we will undertake a one-day census of the in-patient estate. That follows on from the successful pilot that we ran in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde last year. Along with the 10-year update report, it will give us a fantastic level of data on and insight into the state of our mental health services across the country, which will enable us to identify where we need to make further progress, and how we can focus in on those areas.

Just about every member who has spoken referred to psychological therapies. A key part of introducing the HEAT standard was to drive up improvement in the service. It was a stretch target. I know that the system is not perfect, but the target was introduced to drive further improvement in the system. The latest data shows that the average wait for access to psychological therapies is nine weeks. I recognise that there are variations in different parts of the country. The work that we are undertaking with the Information Services Division around the data that we receive from boards is being done to ensure that we can apply further pressure to those boards where there has been insufficient progress, to drive further progress in accessing psychological therapies.

Malcolm Chisholm mentioned the 18-week target. That is for treatment, rather than referral—it is for the period from referral to treatment. Also mentioned was the range of psychological therapies that are available—there are more therapies than just CBT. A couple of years ago, we published the treatment matrix, which contains a range of evidence-based treatments and psychological therapies that can be provided through NHS Scotland. I am conscious that some people would like different kinds of counselling to be included in the treatment matrix, but we have taken forward the matrix on the basis of clear, clinical evidence that a treatment can provide a better outcome for individuals.

A couple of members may be interested to know that, for access to psychological therapies, the waiting time in the Borders, Dumfries and Galloway and Highland is six weeks and in Fife it is 10 weeks. Those are improvements on what happened previously.

A number of members, including Neil Findlay and Richard Simpson, referred to improving access to CAMHS. Richard Simpson was on the Health and Sport Committee with me in a previous parliamentary session, when we considered CAMH services. It was clear that they had been chronically underfunded since the beginning. Investment had just not been made in CAMH services, but a significant level of funding has been introduced over recent years, which has allowed an increase in the level of service that can be provided to speed up access.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09558, in the name of Jim Hume, on improving Scotland’s mental health. 15:50
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
A little over 15 months have passed since the Parliament last had the chance to thoroughly debate mental health issues. On that occasion, the Scottish Govern...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to have this debate. Mental health issues have a high profile in Scotland. Indeed, this Parliament has regularly debated mental hea...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in his last minute.
Michael Matheson SNP
It is important that we build on the good progress that we have made in recent years in order to reduce discrimination against and stigma towards mental ill ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Mental illness is one of our time’s most prevalent conditions. Its economic, social and personal impacts can be, and often are, devastating. Across Europe, m...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the Liberal Democrats’ decision to debate Scotland’s mental health, although it is perhaps a little premature, given that the 10 year follow-up to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to open debate. 16:16
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this afternoon's debate on what is a vital issue for tens of thousands of people across Scotland. In last year’s debate...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We should always begin health debates with positive stories, and it is very easy to find them because we have that wonderful organisation Patient Opinion her...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You are in your final minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
We should also remember that we need services that are available for all young people. In that regard, the Place2Be project is really good, because it is ava...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
As my niece is a psychologist for NHS Borders, I know that mental health is a major issue, but I was not aware of the magnitude of the problem. As Neil Findl...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jim Hume and his Liberal Democrat colleagues for bringing this debate to the chamber. Although there is some contention among the parties on what res...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk about mental health issues here today. A number of members have looked at some of the positives that hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. 16:37
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jim Hume for the way in which he opened this short debate, which turned out to be two debates for the price of one. I will concentrate on the motion ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests, as I am a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, honorary professor of psychology ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Much has been said today about psychological therapies. Does Dr Simpson share my concern that psychological therapies do not necessarily address the needs of...
Dr Simpson Lab
I will come on to that. Early identification of mental health problems is vital, so we really need to look at the tier 1 and 2 services, which are considerab...
Michael Matheson SNP
This has been a useful debate. I want to draw it together in a consensual fashion, because our mental health debates have largely had a consensus around them...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the minister give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Not much, but on you go.
Neil Findlay Lab
I support a great deal of what the minister said, but I say gently that, at some point, we have to have a serious discussion about the funding of local gover...
Michael Matheson SNP
The Labour Party is free to propose a debate on that issue if it wishes and we can respond to such points. However, there has been a significant improvement ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am delighted that we have had the debate and I am proud of the fact that Scottish Liberal Democrats have enabled it to happen. It has certainly been all to...