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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2014

02 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health

I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk about mental health issues here today. A number of members have looked at some of the positives that have happened in that regard in the past number of years, and long may that situation continue.

However, like Mr Macintosh, I think that a number of major issues are holding Scotland back from being able to improve its mental health. I think that the key to that is welfare reform. As Mr Macintosh has, I have heard at the Welfare Reform Committee many stories that are horrid, to say the least. Iain Duncan Smith has said that he is on a “historic mission”—as William Wilberforce was in his campaign to end the slave trade—to help people “break free”. I would not describe the welfare reform policies in that way. The welfare reforms are stripping people with mental health issues of their independence and dignity and, often, of their hope.

Donald McKenzie from Support in Mind Scotland said at the Welfare Reform Committee:

“The impact of ESA has been devastating on the mental health of claimants, who have been stressed and often traumatised by the process. They have been made to feel like frauds for suffering poor mental health, and have been disbelieved by the Atos staff carrying out the assessments. I believe that many medical examiners have little experience of mental health issues, do not take into account any additional evidence from other mental health professionals, and do not seek supportive evidence from GPs and so on. Our service users are baffled and angry that they are subjected to this distressing and stressful process when they are clearly unfit to work. The process itself causes deterioration in mental health and leads to further depression and anxiety.”

Later in his evidence, that gentleman said:

“My job should be about helping people to feel better about themselves in order to improve their mental health, but in reality most of my work is on benefits, in which I have to talk people down and dig into the dark corners to get information. A person who has made a recent suicide attempt will get 15 points and will get their ESA.”—[Official Report, Welfare Reform Committee, 18 February 2014; c 1247, 1270.]

That is a sad indictment of the Tory-Liberal welfare reforms. If Mr Hume is truly serious about improving Scotland’s mental health, he will have to look closely at his Westminster Government’s welfare reforms, which are having a major effect on people’s lives.

Inclusion Scotland has an informative news section on its website. One story, about a woman in her early 50s, states:

“The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland said the woman ... took her own life less than a month after an Atos assessor gave her zero points in a work capability assessment and docked her weekly benefits by nearly 30%.

The MWC said it could find no other reason why the woman, named only as Miss DE, would kill herself at her home on New Year’s Eve 2011.

She had no history of suicidal behaviour, was hoping to return to work and was about to get married.

After an exhaustive investigation, including interviews with all the mental health professionals involved in her treatment, her GP, friends and local welfare rights team and the Atos and Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) staff involved in her case, the commission concluded the assessment was to blame.”

If we want to improve mental health in this country, we must stop those unfair work capability assessments.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09558, in the name of Jim Hume, on improving Scotland’s mental health. 15:50
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
A little over 15 months have passed since the Parliament last had the chance to thoroughly debate mental health issues. On that occasion, the Scottish Govern...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to have this debate. Mental health issues have a high profile in Scotland. Indeed, this Parliament has regularly debated mental hea...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in his last minute.
Michael Matheson SNP
It is important that we build on the good progress that we have made in recent years in order to reduce discrimination against and stigma towards mental ill ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Mental illness is one of our time’s most prevalent conditions. Its economic, social and personal impacts can be, and often are, devastating. Across Europe, m...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the Liberal Democrats’ decision to debate Scotland’s mental health, although it is perhaps a little premature, given that the 10 year follow-up to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to open debate. 16:16
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this afternoon's debate on what is a vital issue for tens of thousands of people across Scotland. In last year’s debate...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We should always begin health debates with positive stories, and it is very easy to find them because we have that wonderful organisation Patient Opinion her...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You are in your final minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
We should also remember that we need services that are available for all young people. In that regard, the Place2Be project is really good, because it is ava...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
As my niece is a psychologist for NHS Borders, I know that mental health is a major issue, but I was not aware of the magnitude of the problem. As Neil Findl...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jim Hume and his Liberal Democrat colleagues for bringing this debate to the chamber. Although there is some contention among the parties on what res...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk about mental health issues here today. A number of members have looked at some of the positives that hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. 16:37
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jim Hume for the way in which he opened this short debate, which turned out to be two debates for the price of one. I will concentrate on the motion ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests, as I am a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, honorary professor of psychology ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Much has been said today about psychological therapies. Does Dr Simpson share my concern that psychological therapies do not necessarily address the needs of...
Dr Simpson Lab
I will come on to that. Early identification of mental health problems is vital, so we really need to look at the tier 1 and 2 services, which are considerab...
Michael Matheson SNP
This has been a useful debate. I want to draw it together in a consensual fashion, because our mental health debates have largely had a consensus around them...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the minister give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Not much, but on you go.
Neil Findlay Lab
I support a great deal of what the minister said, but I say gently that, at some point, we have to have a serious discussion about the funding of local gover...
Michael Matheson SNP
The Labour Party is free to propose a debate on that issue if it wishes and we can respond to such points. However, there has been a significant improvement ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am delighted that we have had the debate and I am proud of the fact that Scottish Liberal Democrats have enabled it to happen. It has certainly been all to...