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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2014

02 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health
Chisholm, Malcolm Lab Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

We should always begin health debates with positive stories, and it is very easy to find them because we have that wonderful organisation Patient Opinion here this week. Earlier today, I asked it for feedback from patients on mental health services. It had received many excellent stories about good services from the health service in relation to mental health. It is clear that we should learn from those stories and that everyone should seek to emulate that example.

However, it is always our duty to highlight problems, as well. Psychological therapies are a good example in that context. There has been some general progress on waiting times, but we know that there are problems. That is captured in the motion by the figure of 13,986 people waiting, but it is crystallised for me by two constituency examples that I have heard of this month, which involve people who have had problems that relate to that area of the service. An adult woman with anxiety was desperate to get psychological therapy of some kind, but all she was offered was medication, which she would not take because she knew that it would have adverse side effects on her. The other example involves a parent of a teenage daughter who has profound anxiety and self-harms. It took several years for her to be accepted as a patient by specialist services. Now that she has been accepted as suitable, she has a further wait for treatment.

For me, that raises three questions about psychological therapies. The first is on the waiting time issue. Things have certainly got a lot better, but is the waiting time for assessment or treatment? They may not always be the same thing.

The second question is this: What are the criteria for acceptance by specialist services? There must be fear of a trade-off between the eligibility criteria and the waiting time. I do not know whether that happens, but it is clear that one way of coping with waiting time pressures would be to take only people who are more seriously ill. The forthcoming SAMH research, which Jim Hume referred to, is related to that. We are told by SAMH that GPs are uncertain about the assessment criteria.

Thirdly, what is the range of available psychological services? At a meeting of the cross-party group on mental health about a year ago, we dealt with psychological therapies, and Donnie Lyons pointed out that the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland was concerned that psychological treatment in the NHS may extend only to cognitive behavioural therapy—not that there is anything wrong with that—and that patients may not get a real choice of therapies. That was reinforced by a letter that I received from the minister a couple of weeks ago that said that only five child psychotherapy trainees started in October. Do we have a sufficient range of psychological therapies?

I have mentioned Donnie Lyons, so it is appropriate to pay tribute to all his work as director of the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland, from which he retired two days ago. As I am talking about people who retired two days ago, I should also pay tribute to Sir Harry Burns, who is the most outstanding chief medical officer we have ever had. He is, of course, relevant to this debate, because one of his many passions was prevention of mental ill health through development of early years services. That is a very important dimension of Scottish Government policy in which there has been a lot of good work—in particular, targeted work on the early years.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09558, in the name of Jim Hume, on improving Scotland’s mental health. 15:50
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
A little over 15 months have passed since the Parliament last had the chance to thoroughly debate mental health issues. On that occasion, the Scottish Govern...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to have this debate. Mental health issues have a high profile in Scotland. Indeed, this Parliament has regularly debated mental hea...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in his last minute.
Michael Matheson SNP
It is important that we build on the good progress that we have made in recent years in order to reduce discrimination against and stigma towards mental ill ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Mental illness is one of our time’s most prevalent conditions. Its economic, social and personal impacts can be, and often are, devastating. Across Europe, m...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the Liberal Democrats’ decision to debate Scotland’s mental health, although it is perhaps a little premature, given that the 10 year follow-up to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to open debate. 16:16
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this afternoon's debate on what is a vital issue for tens of thousands of people across Scotland. In last year’s debate...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We should always begin health debates with positive stories, and it is very easy to find them because we have that wonderful organisation Patient Opinion her...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You are in your final minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
We should also remember that we need services that are available for all young people. In that regard, the Place2Be project is really good, because it is ava...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
As my niece is a psychologist for NHS Borders, I know that mental health is a major issue, but I was not aware of the magnitude of the problem. As Neil Findl...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jim Hume and his Liberal Democrat colleagues for bringing this debate to the chamber. Although there is some contention among the parties on what res...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk about mental health issues here today. A number of members have looked at some of the positives that hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. 16:37
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jim Hume for the way in which he opened this short debate, which turned out to be two debates for the price of one. I will concentrate on the motion ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests, as I am a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, honorary professor of psychology ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Much has been said today about psychological therapies. Does Dr Simpson share my concern that psychological therapies do not necessarily address the needs of...
Dr Simpson Lab
I will come on to that. Early identification of mental health problems is vital, so we really need to look at the tier 1 and 2 services, which are considerab...
Michael Matheson SNP
This has been a useful debate. I want to draw it together in a consensual fashion, because our mental health debates have largely had a consensus around them...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the minister give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Not much, but on you go.
Neil Findlay Lab
I support a great deal of what the minister said, but I say gently that, at some point, we have to have a serious discussion about the funding of local gover...
Michael Matheson SNP
The Labour Party is free to propose a debate on that issue if it wishes and we can respond to such points. However, there has been a significant improvement ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am delighted that we have had the debate and I am proud of the fact that Scottish Liberal Democrats have enabled it to happen. It has certainly been all to...