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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2014

02 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Stop and Search
McInnes, Alison LD North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Not at the moment.

We will, therefore, introduce amendments to the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill and present Parliament with an opportunity to improve the regulatory regime and ensure that every search has a robust legal basis.

Let me be clear: we do not intend to confiscate statutory powers. As the motion notes, if it is applied properly, the tactic is an appropriate and legitimate part of the policing toolkit. However, the extensive use of unregulated stop and search powers threatens civil liberties. It threatens to alienate whole sections of our communities and to erode the trust, relationships and public respect on which the police depend. It also threatens Scotland’s model of policing by consent.

Statistics from the Scottish centre for crime and justice research show that statutory searches are far more successful and proportionate because they are based on robust suspicion, targeting suspicious behaviour rather than types of people. If detection is the aim, that is the only commonsense option—and from a civil liberties perspective it is the only tolerable option.

I remind the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, who has asserted in his amendment that stop and search is “an operational matter”, that police independence does not equate to allowing them the freedom to do what they want; rather, it is our responsibility as legislators to provide the framework within which we expect the police to operate. A legal framework that ensures that the use of the tactic is transparent, fair, consistent and evidence-led is the least that the public would expect. Failing to respond to the problems that have been identified, illiberal and arbitrary intrusions and a system open to all manner of abuse would reflect badly on the police and this Parliament.

I move,

That the Parliament notes that Police Scotland carried out 519,213 stop and searches across Scotland between April and December 2013; understands that the use of this tactic in Scotland has increased dramatically under the current administration and that, in 2010, the comparable rate per capita was approximately four times higher than in England and Wales; notes that, in the same year, 500 children aged 10 and under were stopped and searched, and that three quarters of all searches were conducted on a non-statutory basis, without any suspicion that the subject was involved in criminal activity and therefore dependent on acquiring verbal consent; understands that, in these cases, subjects are told little, or nothing, about their rights; believes that transparent and rigorous recording procedures are not in place to measure basic information, such as how many times any one person is stopped; notes that such shortcomings have led to Alan Miller, the Chair of the Scottish Human Rights Commission, to describe the practice as “largely unregulated and unaccountable”; considers that this must be rectified to ensure that the system of stop and search is transparent and not open to abuses, including harassment and the falsification of figures; recognises that the repeated targeting of individuals based on broad criteria such as age can lead to a negative relationship with the police that is damaging to community relations, and further believes that it is essential that recording best practice is used for stop and search in Scotland to enable public scrutiny of whether the use of the tactic, which is a useful part of the policing toolkit if applied properly, is effective, appropriate and fair.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09557, in the name of Alison McInnes, on stop and search. 14:40
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
It is a privilege to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. Yesterday marked the first anniversary of Police Scotland and the aboliti...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Alison McInnes LD
Not at the moment. We will, therefore, introduce amendments to the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill and present Parliament with an opportunity to improve th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Kenny MacAskill, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, to speak to and move amendment S4M-09557.2. You have seven minutes. I make it clear that we are ti...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
I welcome the chance to respond to the motion lodged by Alison McInnes. Stop and search is an important issue, so it is disappointing that the Liberal Democ...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I have listened with interest to what the cabinet secretary says, and I have looked at the text of his amendment. When it comes to policing in Scotland from ...
Kenny MacAskill SNP
Not at all. I have just come from a meeting with the police and the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner. We established through Parliament—by a maj...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
The cabinet secretary is fond of quoting statistics, but what was the success rate of the so-called voluntary stop and searches?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
I cannot give the member that precisely, but what he will see is that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Alcohol and knives are taken from many of th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Graeme Pearson to speak to and move amendment S4M-09557.1. Mr Pearson, you have up to five minutes. 14:57
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I rise to move the amendment in my name, which, because of the Government’s pre-emptive amendment, is unlikely to be voted on. To that extent I am disappoint...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Please draw to a close.
Graeme Pearson Lab
I will indeed, Presiding Officer. In the same magazine, the chief constable asks whether people “seriously think” that the police should go to the public to...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I confirm that I very much support the ability of police officers to stop and search suspects. It is an important power in the fight against c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now come to the open debate. We are very tight for time, so speeches should be a maximum of four minutes, please. 15:07
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I think that we agree that we all want crime to be tackled and our communities to be made safer. It is to be welcomed that recorded crime is at a 39-year low...
Margaret Mitchell Con
Will the member give way?
Sandra White SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have time. If those kids in Glasgow had been down by the Clyde drinking alcohol until midnight or 1 o’clock at night, something cou...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Liberal Democrats for lodging their motion. Disappointingly, the amendment from the Cabinet Secretary for Justice merely reinforces the impressio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Pentland, will you pull your microphone round towards you, please?
John Pentland Lab
We do not know whether that is a tenth of our population or fewer people suffering more searches, but we know that the figure is four times that for England ...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I will begin by stating what is perhaps the obvious, which is that I am completely against the idea of fiddled or made-up figures from any public body. I am ...
Alison McInnes LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Roderick Campbell SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have time. I am sure that we all accept that we live in a very different world from that of 50 years ago or even 20 years ago. Over...
Alison McInnes LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Roderick Campbell SNP
I am sorry, but time prevents me from doing so. In evidence to the Justice Sub-Committee on Policing on 20 March, Police Scotland revealed that the rate of ...
Hugh Henry (Renfrewshire South) (Lab) Lab
I want to put on record my support for stop and search. Indeed, as a minister, I played some part in ensuring that additional powers were made available to t...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to participate in the debate, as it is always a pleasure to respond to Liberal Democrat members who want to compare Scotland’s achievements in...
Alison McInnes LD
That demonstrates what I do support, which is statutory stop and search, on reasonable suspicion and intelligence led. What I am debating this afternoon and ...