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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2014

09 Jan 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003
Marra, Jenny Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

A critical function of this Parliament—and one that, as I know many colleagues agree, we do not do enough of—is post-legislative scrutiny to review our laws and check whether they are serving people properly. It was with a few sighs that, last March, the Justice Committee undertook its inquiry into some of the provisions of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003. As Sandra White said, I must take some responsibility for the suggestion, but I think that the outcome has been very good.

The 2003 act is a technical piece of legislation, as Christine Grahame explained to us very well, but it is critical to people when their property comes up against the issues for which it provides. I took a particular interest in section 53, having been approached by concerned constituents and persuaded that it was not working as was intended and has had unintended consequences. Those concerns were borne out by the evidence that the Justice Committee heard last year.

Section 53 is about the right of neighbours, or people in “related properties”, to enforce burdens against each other. I will not go into an explanation of burdens, because I do not think that I could do it better than the committee convener did. The problem is that enforcement rights can be found to exist where no one intended them. Professor Robert Rennie, who has already been quoted in this debate and is one of Scotland’s leading property lawyers, said that the effect of section 53 could be to create rights where none existed before feudal abolition and that people who were not subject to conditions before 2004 suddenly become subject to burdens without their consent.

We were told that section 53 is causing uncertainty. With the provision on “related properties”, it is difficult for people to work out who might have a right to enforce a burden against their property in the future, and it is costly for prospective property owners to instruct lawyers to work out who might have that right of enforcement against them—say, if they decide to build an extension to their property. Often, solicitors cannot identify an exhaustive list of who may or may not have enforcement rights against their clients. There is uncertainty in a field of law in which it is highly desirable for people to have as much certainty as possible, especially when they are buying a property.

Several law firms explained the problem. Biggart Baillie described it in its written submission, and Brodies LLP and Pinsent Masons raised similar concerns and frustrations. In the light of the uncertainty, which affects property sales, and the evidence that section 53 was inserted by a stage 2 amendment to the bill, as Roderick Campbell said, with the intentions and consequences perhaps not being properly scrutinised or foreseen at the time, I agree with the Justice Committee’s recommendation that section 53 be referred to the Scottish Law Commission for review, and I welcome the Scottish Government’s acceptance of that recommendation.

I note that the review will most likely commence in 2015 as part of the ninth programme of law reform, but I ask the minister for guidance on when she anticipates that we will see a change in the law as a result of the review. The review of section 53 is a satisfactory outcome of the Justice Committee’s inquiry, and I thank the clerks, the convener and those who gave evidence.

16:24

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08666, in the name of Christine Grahame, on behalf of the Justice Committee, on its report on the inquiry...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Ah. “Thereby” is tactful. I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Justice Committee and thank all those who provided written submission...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I congratulate Christine Grahame on doing an admirable job in explaining very complex areas of law. Does she agree that part of the problem lies with how sol...
Christine Grahame SNP
If only John Lamont had waited until to the end of my riveting speech—I will come to that. I know that this is riveting stuff—I have said so several times a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That is not bad. 15:36
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to respond to the debate, which falls under the heading of post-legislative scrutiny by the Justice Committee. The work that the committee carr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Hear, hear. Many thanks. 15:44
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the minister’s point about the absent member, who was a tower of strength in my time on the Justice Committee. On occasions, he was a good shie...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on the Justice Committee’s inquiry into the effectiveness of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003. I w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
We now turn to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes, please. 15:54
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
It seems a long time since the Justice Committee took evidence for its inquiry into the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003, but it was in fact in March las...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. As colleagues will know, I am not a member of the Justice Committee, but I listened to the committe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You must conclude now, please.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I hope that the Scottish Government will consider people who do not have a factor but need one. Properties throughout the coun...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate. I joined the Justice Committee a few months ago, too late to have any input into its excellent report, “Inquiry into the effectiveness...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I join colleagues across the chamber in thanking those who submitted evidence during the review of the practical operation of the Title Conditions (Scotland)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The member should come to a conclusion, please.
Alison McInnes LD
In seeking to improve standards in the property management and maintenance sector, many of the issues centre on devolving power to the most local of communit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that we are a bit tight for time, and if I am to include everyone in the debate I need members to stick to their four minutes, please. 16:12
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the other Justice Committee members and the clerks, and I also thank Jenny Marra, who proposed that we carry out an investigation into the provisions...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I associate myself completely with the comments made earlier about David McLetchie’s sense of humour—he is definitely missed in this chamber. Like my former...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
A critical function of this Parliament—and one that, as I know many colleagues agree, we do not do enough of—is post-legislative scrutiny to review our laws ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I must admit that when I saw this debate listed in the Business Bulletin last week, I did not immediately want to get involved in it, but on closer inspectio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could I ask you to conclude, please?
Maureen Watt SNP
I welcome the report, which I am sure will inform my committee’s deliberations on the Housing (Scotland) Bill. 16:28
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
In the small amount of time available, I intend to concentrate on the land maintenance issue and commend some of the evidence that we heard, which I will rea...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
Despite my obvious deprivation in not being a member of the Justice Committee, I am nonetheless grateful for the opportunity to take part in this debate. Jen...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now come to closing speeches. I remind all members who participated in the debate that they should be in the chamber for the closing speeches. 16:36
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am particularly pleased to take part in this afternoon’s debate, not least because, as Jenny Marra pointed out, post-legislative scrutiny is so rarely carr...
Graeme Pearson Lab
The debate has been a useful exercise in revisiting the decisions that were made by an earlier Parliament about what has proved to be a complex area of relat...