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Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2014

09 Jan 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

If only John Lamont had waited until to the end of my riveting speech—I will come to that.

I know that this is riveting stuff—I have said so several times and I need to keep on saying it—so members will be sorry to see me sit down, but this is the final straight, unless of course John Lamont is hungry for more. The issue concerns land maintenance companies such as Greenbelt Group Ltd. I will not malign the company; the matter does not apply to it alone, but I merely use it as a convenient name that is publicly recognised as a company in this field. Speaking of fields, that is sometimes what residents find around their front door instead of the paid-for manicured lawns and well-tended shrubs for which they pay land maintenance companies a fee.

It is quite common on a modern estate to have open green land that is owned by a company that then charges for its maintenance. However, the trouble arises when the company does not maintain that bit of green space but the bill still lands in the homeowner’s letterbox. As with the reluctance of those who are not immediately affected by roof leaks, those who are distant from the thriving weeds and overgrown shrubs are not keen to get involved in taking the maintenance company to task. There are rules set up—those might be in a deed of conditions binding all the people on a big estate, which may be 60 to 100 people, to share such costs—that require them to set up an owners association to deal with the maintenance company, but they do not bother to do that. Consequently, everything gets stuck in individual disputes, amounting on occasion to the refusal of a homeowner to pay his or her bill, which certainly gums up any prospect of replacing the maintenance company.

Our recommendation—although we accept, especially in the current stringent climate, that it is a long-term goal—is that local authorities take over and see to the maintenance of such green spaces, much in the way that they eventually do the maintenance of roads in such developments. The committee felt that some mechanism for resolution is needed now—perhaps mediation—to resolve disputes in the interim.

Intriguingly—a word that only lawyers and former lawyers would use in the context—land maintenance companies might not be legally entitled to charge, being both the owners of the land and imposing the burden for maintenance while asking other people to pay for it. It is arguable that being able to look at the land and walk over it is not a benefit.

There was a delightful and slightly mischievous interchange between Professor Rennie and Professor Reid on whether land maintenance companies can charge at all, which is discussed on pages 18 to 20 of our report. I commend it to all who are with me so far. I could expand on that, but I do not have the time and—hey!—I do not want to spoil a good read. However, it is a rallying call to some chirpy lawyer out there to bring forward a test case, particularly if they can find the required man or a woman of straw who might access legal aid to fight one of the big boys.

I come to Mr Lamont’s point. I offer a word in the ear of prospective house purchasers, which is already imparted by lawyers, I think. The excitement and drama of purchasing a home—some of us have been there—should not drown out the voice of the lawyer in the purchaser’s ears telling them in plain English, I hope, about liabilities for the roof. For instance, the person who owns the top flat might be liable for all the roof maintenance. The lawyer should also tell people what the deed of conditions might mean to their monthly bank balance.

It is better for the home owner to attend to a few loose slates or a leaking gable before they invest in an unnecessary replacement kitchen. Although the law needs to be overhauled in some areas and tweaked in others, it is also a home owner’s responsibility to ensure that the fabric of the house is not neglected for the sake of some more glamorous gadgets.

I am 33 seconds over. That is not bad.

I move,

That the Parliament notes the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Justice Committee’s 8th Report, 2013 (Session 4): Inquiry into the effectiveness of the provisions of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (SP Paper 338).

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08666, in the name of Christine Grahame, on behalf of the Justice Committee, on its report on the inquiry...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Ah. “Thereby” is tactful. I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Justice Committee and thank all those who provided written submission...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I congratulate Christine Grahame on doing an admirable job in explaining very complex areas of law. Does she agree that part of the problem lies with how sol...
Christine Grahame SNP
If only John Lamont had waited until to the end of my riveting speech—I will come to that. I know that this is riveting stuff—I have said so several times a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That is not bad. 15:36
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to respond to the debate, which falls under the heading of post-legislative scrutiny by the Justice Committee. The work that the committee carr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Hear, hear. Many thanks. 15:44
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the minister’s point about the absent member, who was a tower of strength in my time on the Justice Committee. On occasions, he was a good shie...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on the Justice Committee’s inquiry into the effectiveness of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003. I w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
We now turn to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes, please. 15:54
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
It seems a long time since the Justice Committee took evidence for its inquiry into the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003, but it was in fact in March las...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. As colleagues will know, I am not a member of the Justice Committee, but I listened to the committe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You must conclude now, please.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I hope that the Scottish Government will consider people who do not have a factor but need one. Properties throughout the coun...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate. I joined the Justice Committee a few months ago, too late to have any input into its excellent report, “Inquiry into the effectiveness...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I join colleagues across the chamber in thanking those who submitted evidence during the review of the practical operation of the Title Conditions (Scotland)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The member should come to a conclusion, please.
Alison McInnes LD
In seeking to improve standards in the property management and maintenance sector, many of the issues centre on devolving power to the most local of communit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that we are a bit tight for time, and if I am to include everyone in the debate I need members to stick to their four minutes, please. 16:12
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the other Justice Committee members and the clerks, and I also thank Jenny Marra, who proposed that we carry out an investigation into the provisions...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I associate myself completely with the comments made earlier about David McLetchie’s sense of humour—he is definitely missed in this chamber. Like my former...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I must admit that when I saw this debate listed in the Business Bulletin last week, I did not immediately want to get involved in it, but on closer inspectio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could I ask you to conclude, please?
Maureen Watt SNP
I welcome the report, which I am sure will inform my committee’s deliberations on the Housing (Scotland) Bill. 16:28
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
In the small amount of time available, I intend to concentrate on the land maintenance issue and commend some of the evidence that we heard, which I will rea...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
Despite my obvious deprivation in not being a member of the Justice Committee, I am nonetheless grateful for the opportunity to take part in this debate. Jen...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now come to closing speeches. I remind all members who participated in the debate that they should be in the chamber for the closing speeches. 16:36
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Graeme Pearson Lab
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