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Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2014

09 Jan 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

Ah. “Thereby” is tactful. I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Justice Committee and thank all those who provided written submissions and gave oral evidence to the committee.

You may feel that you have drawn the short straw, Presiding Officer—perhaps we all have—because I have 10 minutes yet again. I may struggle to fill the time, although I probably will fill it. Fear not—the subject is full of life. On the face of it, it looks like the driest of dry topics—and, my goodness, we have had a few of those in here—but not a bit of it. Although the language is technical and the law is a bit tricky, it is to do with day-to-day problems that cause real distress and angst for people.

First, here is the tricky bit. There will be a test afterwards. I should say in passing to my colleague Colin Keir, who is lurking somewhere behind me—I am sworn to non-disclosure of this, so I am breaking a promise—that his request for an explanation in pictures is, regrettably, not practicable in the chamber. So, let us take a deep breath.

Title conditions are legal obligations that appear in the title deeds of land and buildings. They burden one property for the benefit of another property and survive changes in the ownership of the properties concerned. Often, they appear in the title deeds of groups of properties, and the owners in question have mutual rights to enforce the conditions against each other.

The word “burden” should not frighten the horses; I will give an example. Members may have been there themselves. If they have not, I am sure that they will have had constituents who have been in this pickle: when communal repairs to the roof or stairwell of a tenemented property are urgently needed, but only those who are affected—let us say the top-floor flat occupants—feel the urgency as they watch the damp patches spread across the ceiling and hear the drip, drip, drip of unwelcome rainwater in the eaves. If there is no factor to instruct—more of that later—the situation is even more trying. The six or eight tenemented properties may share the liability for the cost of the repairs to the roof, but because of those tricky little title deeds and those burdens, saying it is easy, while getting the money for the work to be done is quite another matter.

We can add to that mix the difficulty in getting repairs agreed and paid for when some of the properties in the tenemented building are owned by people who exercised the right to buy those properties from the local authority, while other properties are rented from housing associations. Mixed ownership makes it even more difficult to get any kind of agreement, no matter what it says in the title deeds about getting the leak in the roof fixed.

It should be an advantage to have a factor who is employed to manage all that for everybody in a tenement or a bigger development where there are shared liabilities for repairs and maintenance of what I will call common property—which means roofs and stairwells, although it can include walls, fences and so on. If people have a good factoring service that they pay for, that is all well and good, but it is very difficult for people to switch factors if they are not happy with the service. Why is that? It is because—this is what it says in those tricky little title deeds—it can require the agreement of two thirds of the people who own the properties.

The first problem is that not all tenement flats are occupied by the owners. When there are absentee landlords, who does one tell or ask for agreement? It is tough enough in any event to get agreement, let alone to know who to ask. The first step would be to make it easier, one way or another, for those who require information to identify the landlords. The committee’s view is that the Government should legislate so that factors could tell everybody else who owns the various flats. That is not easy, however, because it would breach data protection rules. I know that the Government is not keen to do that; it would be helpful to know why because it is a big issue for people. It would also be helpful if the Government would tell us what it would do.

I move on to another tricky issue; this one is worse. Section 53 of the 2003 act gives neighbours a right to enforce burdens in title deeds—do members remember what those are?—against each other, in which there is something called a “common scheme” and the properties are “related”. I will test the Presiding Officer on that later. The phrase “common scheme” and the word “related” are very vague. After all, a person will know that the roof above their block of flats or the common stairwell that they share with each other in their tenement might give them a responsibility to pay for their maintenance and repair.

However, the trouble is that they might also be liable for some other common scheme of maintenance, perhaps at some distance, in the development in which they live. That might involve, for example, open areas that are not right next door to a person’s block of flats, above their head, or the stairwell and are not identified clearly in those tricky title deeds. What on earth does that mean a person is responsible for? That has caused a lot of problems.

The matter is so tricky that we asked the Government to invite the Scottish Law Commission—who are just the chaps and chapesses to deal with tricky legal issues when one does not know what to do—to review section 53 as part of its work programme. Thankfully, it has accepted that recommendation, so I hope that, in due course—as the lawyers would say—the matter becomes so clear that even I and perhaps Colin Keir and John Lamont will understand it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08666, in the name of Christine Grahame, on behalf of the Justice Committee, on its report on the inquiry...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Ah. “Thereby” is tactful. I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Justice Committee and thank all those who provided written submission...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I congratulate Christine Grahame on doing an admirable job in explaining very complex areas of law. Does she agree that part of the problem lies with how sol...
Christine Grahame SNP
If only John Lamont had waited until to the end of my riveting speech—I will come to that. I know that this is riveting stuff—I have said so several times a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That is not bad. 15:36
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to respond to the debate, which falls under the heading of post-legislative scrutiny by the Justice Committee. The work that the committee carr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Hear, hear. Many thanks. 15:44
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the minister’s point about the absent member, who was a tower of strength in my time on the Justice Committee. On occasions, he was a good shie...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on the Justice Committee’s inquiry into the effectiveness of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003. I w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
We now turn to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes, please. 15:54
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
It seems a long time since the Justice Committee took evidence for its inquiry into the Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003, but it was in fact in March las...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. As colleagues will know, I am not a member of the Justice Committee, but I listened to the committe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You must conclude now, please.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I hope that the Scottish Government will consider people who do not have a factor but need one. Properties throughout the coun...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate. I joined the Justice Committee a few months ago, too late to have any input into its excellent report, “Inquiry into the effectiveness...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I join colleagues across the chamber in thanking those who submitted evidence during the review of the practical operation of the Title Conditions (Scotland)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The member should come to a conclusion, please.
Alison McInnes LD
In seeking to improve standards in the property management and maintenance sector, many of the issues centre on devolving power to the most local of communit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that we are a bit tight for time, and if I am to include everyone in the debate I need members to stick to their four minutes, please. 16:12
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the other Justice Committee members and the clerks, and I also thank Jenny Marra, who proposed that we carry out an investigation into the provisions...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I associate myself completely with the comments made earlier about David McLetchie’s sense of humour—he is definitely missed in this chamber. Like my former...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
A critical function of this Parliament—and one that, as I know many colleagues agree, we do not do enough of—is post-legislative scrutiny to review our laws ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I must admit that when I saw this debate listed in the Business Bulletin last week, I did not immediately want to get involved in it, but on closer inspectio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could I ask you to conclude, please?
Maureen Watt SNP
I welcome the report, which I am sure will inform my committee’s deliberations on the Housing (Scotland) Bill. 16:28
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
In the small amount of time available, I intend to concentrate on the land maintenance issue and commend some of the evidence that we heard, which I will rea...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
Despite my obvious deprivation in not being a member of the Justice Committee, I am nonetheless grateful for the opportunity to take part in this debate. Jen...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now come to closing speeches. I remind all members who participated in the debate that they should be in the chamber for the closing speeches. 16:36
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am particularly pleased to take part in this afternoon’s debate, not least because, as Jenny Marra pointed out, post-legislative scrutiny is so rarely carr...
Graeme Pearson Lab
The debate has been a useful exercise in revisiting the decisions that were made by an earlier Parliament about what has proved to be a complex area of relat...