Hansard

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA

The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09748, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on Scotland’s voice in the European Union.15:19

The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP

I am reflecting on how strange it will be not to hear Margo MacDonald’s voice and distinctive position in this debate on Europe.In the next few weeks, citize...

Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green

I am interested in the cabinet secretary’s comments and regret that there will not be a vote on the Green amendment. Has she discussed with Mike Weir, Eilidh...

Fiona Hyslop SNP

That is why I want to give the opportunity to discuss scrutiny; people can challenge the transatlantic trade and investment partnership without disagreeing w...

Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD

The cabinet secretary appears to be in the mood for revealing information. For the past year, I have been asking for the First Minister’s speech to EU ambass...

Fiona Hyslop SNP

If Willie Rennie speaks to ministers in the UK Government, he will be told that it is not acceptable, nor is it the norm, to reveal discussions that take pla...

Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab

The Deputy First Minister has said that membership of the euro is her red line. Which of the reforms that the cabinet secretary proposes would be a red line ...

Fiona Hyslop SNP

I refer Drew Smith to the white paper, “Scotland’s Future”, in which we talk about “continuity of effect”, which means that there will be no detriment to oth...

Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab

This is, of course, the first debate in the Parliament since the sad death of Margo MacDonald, and as such it is the first of many debates in which we will n...

Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP

Will Patricia Ferguson take an intervention?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

I am happy to take an intervention from Mr Stevenson.

Stewart Stevenson SNP

Patricia Ferguson will of course be wholly familiar with the acquis communautaire that is the constitution of the EU. Is she familiar with section 50, which ...

Patricia Ferguson Lab

I gently point out to Mr Stevenson that, in actual fact, the UK is the only state in these islands that has signed the treaties of the EU. If we divorce ours...

Stewart Stevenson SNP

No.

Patricia Ferguson Lab

I have to say to Mr Stevenson that I think that we will both have to wait and find out what the actual situation is, because the one thing that is absolutely...

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con

Order.

Patricia Ferguson Lab

Having noted that the Scottish Government now accepts that there will have to be a period of negotiation—I do not know whether Mr Stevenson was trying to sug...

Fiona Hyslop SNP

Will Patricia Ferguson give way?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

If the cabinet secretary can clarify that point, I will be happy to do so.

Fiona Hyslop SNP

It is about basic democracy and sovereignty. We can choose to pool our sovereignty in the EU, but currently there is no choice.

Patricia Ferguson Lab

I am sorry that that is the kind of logic that has come to bear on the SNP’s position. It seems bizarre that the SNP would want to pool sovereignty in a situ...

Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP

Will Patricia Ferguson give way?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

No.The Scottish Government will tell the European Union that, in our case, it should use article 48 and that it should simply allow us to join by way of a tr...

Kevin Stewart SNP

Will the member give way?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

No, thank you, Mr Stewart.The fact of the matter is that article 49 of the treaty is the only existing mechanism by which membership can be negotiated. Just ...

The Deputy Presiding Officer Con

Can we have a bit of courtesy, please?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

The SNP also presumes that all 28 member states would be happy to allow Scotland to join the EU on its own terms, but that seems unlikely to me.

Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP

Will Patricia Ferguson take an intervention?

Patricia Ferguson Lab

I have already taken a number of interventions, thank you.Let me speak more specifically of the terms of Scotland’s membership. The SNP wants—no: it demands—...

Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con

I thank the Scottish Government for enabling Parliament to debate the European Union. With an imminent election in May and the referendum in September, it is...