Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 22 April 2014
22 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Voice in the European Union
That is why I want to give the opportunity to discuss scrutiny; people can challenge the transatlantic trade and investment partnership without disagreeing with it. We have, in the European Union, lent our support to its development. However, there are opportunities for greater scrutiny and for ensuring greater democratic accountability for some decisions.
Scotland is a European nation and has been an integral part of the European Union for 40 years. The EU is the main destination for Scottish exports; it accounted for 45 per cent of international exports in 2012, with an estimated value of around £11.7 billion. Our exporters continue to sell successfully into the markets of mainland Europe, but we could do better; that is one of the economic cases for independence. We still underperform and could do better, which is one of the cases for export improvement in the EU.
Scotland is also a growing part of the European economy. Since 2006, the value of Scottish exports has increased by 35.1 per cent, and we imported more than £5 billion-worth of goods from other member states in 2013 alone.
We operate as a force for good in the EU in sharing knowledge and ideas through our important work on climate change and energy. We must work internationally on the environment and climate change. The EU’s role and, indeed, Scotland’s role in influencing, exemplifying and providing practical researched proposals and plans to deal with those challenges cannot be underestimated. The EU agendas on energy, climate change, the marine environment, research and creativity, and freedom, security and justice are important to the Scottish people. With our EU action plan, we are working on those as core policy areas for the Government.
On healthcare, Scotland NHS 24 is heavily involved in the European innovation partnership on active and healthy ageing, and it is leading the group on information and communication technology enabled care.
Strong bilateral relations with our EU counterparts are important for Scotland, too. In the past year alone, I have travelled to Denmark, France, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Finland and to Brussels to deepen economic and cultural ties with EU member states. Our recently published “Nordic Baltic Policy Statement” sets out where we co-operate with neighbours on key areas and where we are keen to do more.
Workers’ terms and conditions have been greatly supported by the EU, so when anti-EU politicians talk about strangling bureaucracy, just make sure that it is not the 48-hour maximum working week that they are looking to do away with. The EU is not perfect by any means; it needs to be reformed. However, the issue is what needs to be reformed and how it could and would be reformed.
The Scottish Government has produced a blueprint for reform, “Scotland’s Priorities for EU reform.” It sets out, chapter by chapter, practical areas for change. The big difference between us and the UK is that we do not think that there needs to be a threat of an in/out referendum and treaty reform to secure such change. I do not know what the Labour Party would want to reform or how, but I look forward to hearing about that.
The biggest risk to Scotland’s membership of the EU lies with the obsession of Westminster politicians and the threat of a party that did not hold its deposit in recent by-elections and which spouts offensive, narrow-minded arguments and interests that have no place in a tolerant, internationalist and outward-looking country.
The challenge to Scotland is either to vote yes to independence or to risk being silenced or sidelined in Europe for all time. Independence would give Scotland a seat and a voice at the top table in Europe for the first time, which would ensure that our case is heard when our vital national interests are discussed. The Opposition wants to project fear of Scotland’s continuing membership as a reason to vote no, but that does not seem to be working, as the narrowing of the gap in recent opinion polls has shown.
The Labour Party amendment references outgoing Commission President Barroso’s television interview comments. Those comments were clearly a political opinion that was stated for political reasons, and without reference to or analysis of Scotland’s position in the EU. How do we know that to be the case? I can reveal that, when approached to explain what research and analysis had been conducted to support the statement by President Barroso, the General Secretariat of the Council of the European Union confirmed in writing that it does not hold documents of any such analysis. I will place copies of the correspondence in the Scottish Parliament information centre this afternoon.
Scotland is a European nation and has been an integral part of the European Union for 40 years. The EU is the main destination for Scottish exports; it accounted for 45 per cent of international exports in 2012, with an estimated value of around £11.7 billion. Our exporters continue to sell successfully into the markets of mainland Europe, but we could do better; that is one of the economic cases for independence. We still underperform and could do better, which is one of the cases for export improvement in the EU.
Scotland is also a growing part of the European economy. Since 2006, the value of Scottish exports has increased by 35.1 per cent, and we imported more than £5 billion-worth of goods from other member states in 2013 alone.
We operate as a force for good in the EU in sharing knowledge and ideas through our important work on climate change and energy. We must work internationally on the environment and climate change. The EU’s role and, indeed, Scotland’s role in influencing, exemplifying and providing practical researched proposals and plans to deal with those challenges cannot be underestimated. The EU agendas on energy, climate change, the marine environment, research and creativity, and freedom, security and justice are important to the Scottish people. With our EU action plan, we are working on those as core policy areas for the Government.
On healthcare, Scotland NHS 24 is heavily involved in the European innovation partnership on active and healthy ageing, and it is leading the group on information and communication technology enabled care.
Strong bilateral relations with our EU counterparts are important for Scotland, too. In the past year alone, I have travelled to Denmark, France, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Finland and to Brussels to deepen economic and cultural ties with EU member states. Our recently published “Nordic Baltic Policy Statement” sets out where we co-operate with neighbours on key areas and where we are keen to do more.
Workers’ terms and conditions have been greatly supported by the EU, so when anti-EU politicians talk about strangling bureaucracy, just make sure that it is not the 48-hour maximum working week that they are looking to do away with. The EU is not perfect by any means; it needs to be reformed. However, the issue is what needs to be reformed and how it could and would be reformed.
The Scottish Government has produced a blueprint for reform, “Scotland’s Priorities for EU reform.” It sets out, chapter by chapter, practical areas for change. The big difference between us and the UK is that we do not think that there needs to be a threat of an in/out referendum and treaty reform to secure such change. I do not know what the Labour Party would want to reform or how, but I look forward to hearing about that.
The biggest risk to Scotland’s membership of the EU lies with the obsession of Westminster politicians and the threat of a party that did not hold its deposit in recent by-elections and which spouts offensive, narrow-minded arguments and interests that have no place in a tolerant, internationalist and outward-looking country.
The challenge to Scotland is either to vote yes to independence or to risk being silenced or sidelined in Europe for all time. Independence would give Scotland a seat and a voice at the top table in Europe for the first time, which would ensure that our case is heard when our vital national interests are discussed. The Opposition wants to project fear of Scotland’s continuing membership as a reason to vote no, but that does not seem to be working, as the narrowing of the gap in recent opinion polls has shown.
The Labour Party amendment references outgoing Commission President Barroso’s television interview comments. Those comments were clearly a political opinion that was stated for political reasons, and without reference to or analysis of Scotland’s position in the EU. How do we know that to be the case? I can reveal that, when approached to explain what research and analysis had been conducted to support the statement by President Barroso, the General Secretariat of the Council of the European Union confirmed in writing that it does not hold documents of any such analysis. I will place copies of the correspondence in the Scottish Parliament information centre this afternoon.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09748, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on Scotland’s voice in the European Union.15:19
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)
SNP
I am reflecting on how strange it will be not to hear Margo MacDonald’s voice and distinctive position in this debate on Europe.In the next few weeks, citize...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
I am interested in the cabinet secretary’s comments and regret that there will not be a vote on the Green amendment. Has she discussed with Mike Weir, Eilidh...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
That is why I want to give the opportunity to discuss scrutiny; people can challenge the transatlantic trade and investment partnership without disagreeing w...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
The cabinet secretary appears to be in the mood for revealing information. For the past year, I have been asking for the First Minister’s speech to EU ambass...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
If Willie Rennie speaks to ministers in the UK Government, he will be told that it is not acceptable, nor is it the norm, to reveal discussions that take pla...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
The Deputy First Minister has said that membership of the euro is her red line. Which of the reforms that the cabinet secretary proposes would be a red line ...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I refer Drew Smith to the white paper, “Scotland’s Future”, in which we talk about “continuity of effect”, which means that there will be no detriment to oth...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Lab
This is, of course, the first debate in the Parliament since the sad death of Margo MacDonald, and as such it is the first of many debates in which we will n...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Will Patricia Ferguson take an intervention?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I am happy to take an intervention from Mr Stevenson.
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Patricia Ferguson will of course be wholly familiar with the acquis communautaire that is the constitution of the EU. Is she familiar with section 50, which ...
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I gently point out to Mr Stevenson that, in actual fact, the UK is the only state in these islands that has signed the treaties of the EU. If we divorce ours...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
No.
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I have to say to Mr Stevenson that I think that we will both have to wait and find out what the actual situation is, because the one thing that is absolutely...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
Order.
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
Having noted that the Scottish Government now accepts that there will have to be a period of negotiation—I do not know whether Mr Stevenson was trying to sug...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
Will Patricia Ferguson give way?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
If the cabinet secretary can clarify that point, I will be happy to do so.
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
It is about basic democracy and sovereignty. We can choose to pool our sovereignty in the EU, but currently there is no choice.
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I am sorry that that is the kind of logic that has come to bear on the SNP’s position. It seems bizarre that the SNP would want to pool sovereignty in a situ...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
SNP
Will Patricia Ferguson give way?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
No.The Scottish Government will tell the European Union that, in our case, it should use article 48 and that it should simply allow us to join by way of a tr...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Will the member give way?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
No, thank you, Mr Stewart.The fact of the matter is that article 49 of the treaty is the only existing mechanism by which membership can be negotiated. Just ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
Can we have a bit of courtesy, please?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
The SNP also presumes that all 28 member states would be happy to allow Scotland to join the EU on its own terms, but that seems unlikely to me.
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will Patricia Ferguson take an intervention?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I have already taken a number of interventions, thank you.Let me speak more specifically of the terms of Scotland’s membership. The SNP wants—no: it demands—...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
I thank the Scottish Government for enabling Parliament to debate the European Union. With an imminent election in May and the referendum in September, it is...