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City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill Committee 26 March 2014

26 Mar 2014 · S4 · City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill Committee
Item of business
City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2014 of the City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill Committee. I remind members, witnesses and those in the public gallery to switch off all mobile phones and BlackBerrys.Before we start the oral evidence session, I point out that we have a number of issues to get through today. I remind witnesses that we have the content of all objections and supplementary written evidence. In addition, as the witnesses are aware, we have considered a substantial amount of evidence on a number of issues that were raised in objections and covered in oral evidence at the preliminary stage—in particular, the precedent argument, alternative sites, the court decision and the consultation process.I will manage proceedings to allow all areas to be covered fairly. I ask witnesses to focus on the main issues that they want to raise and to avoid unnecessary repetition of information that the committee has and which, along with the oral evidence sessions, will all be taken into account.The expectation is that the focus of the sessions is for each party to probe the other on the issues in question. Indeed, the purpose of the cross-examination is to assist members in making a decision on the issues, but I reiterate that the committee’s role is not to carry out a planning inquiry. The committee appreciates that the format will place some people in an unfamiliar situation.As the session involves groups of objectors appearing together, I will briefly set out the overall format. The lead objectors and the promoter’s lead spokesperson will be responsible for co-ordinating the evidence from their respective parties. First, I will invite each group’s lead objector to make brief general introductory remarks; the promoter will then have the same opportunity. We will move on to each of the categories, on which a spokesperson from each group on each issue in the category will be invited to outline briefly the concerns on a specific issue. Therefore, for category 1, a lead spokesperson from each group in turn should speak on each issue—first, on loss of amenity; secondly, on social, environmental and financial impact; and thirdly, on replacement open space. We expect only one person from each group to speak on each issue.Once all the issues in a category have been addressed, the promoter will be invited to state its position on each of the key issues in the category. Both parties will then have the opportunity to cross-examine each other on all the issues in the category. Following that, lead objectors will have an opportunity for any final comments on that category. Consideration will then move on to the next category of objections and the same format will be followed. Following the conclusion of proceedings on all categories, members will be invited to question witnesses from both parties, although members may raise a question for clarification at any point in the proceedings. To conclude, both lead objectors and the promoter will have the opportunity to make brief closing statements.If a group does not wish to address a specific topic in a category, I ask that they indicate that intention at the start of consideration of the relevant category. The promoter should also indicate whether it wishes to address any issues that the objectors consider do not require to be raised during the session.I hope that that is clear.We move to the first formal session. I welcome the witnesses representing objectors from groups 2 and 4. The two objectors from group 2 are Jennifer Peters, lead objector, and Ian Ross. The objectors from group 4 are Gillian Dunn, lead objector, Dr Gordon McCulloch, Archie Burns and Stephen Carr.

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The Convener (Siobhan McMahon) Lab
Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2014 of the City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill Committee. I remind members, witnesses and th...
Archie Burns
The clerk told us that more than one person could speak on each issue. Will you clarify the position?
The Convener Lab
We prefer that only one person speaks to an issue.
Archie Burns
That is a preference rather than an instruction.
The Convener Lab
If you have an additional point to make that has not been raised, I will allow time for that, but in order that we get through all the evidence, I ask that y...
Jennifer Peters
I am here to represent the 303 formal objectors to the private bill who live around the park and who benefit from its existence. There are many more who obje...
The Convener Lab
Thank you. I ask Gillian Dunn to make her introductory remarks.
Gillian Dunn
Good morning. I am the lead objector for group 4. I am a Portobello resident and my teenage son attends Portobello high school. I am also a member of the sch...
The Convener Lab
Sorry, but may I interrupt you there? I really do not think that that is appropriate. It is not in our remit—
Gillian Dunn
Okay. I just want to say that it is against that background of intimidation, bullying and general undermining that we speak today.
The Convener Lab
That is fine. Thank you.I invite the promoter to make any opening remarks.
Billy MacIntyre (City of Edinburgh Council)
Good morning, convener. You introduced us, so I will not take up time doing that again. First, I thank the committee for giving us the opportunity to attend ...
The Convener Lab
Thank you. We move to the first category of objections. I invite the spokesperson for group 2 to speak to the first set of issues: the loss of amenity and us...
Jennifer Peters
The City of Edinburgh Council’s open space action plan, which supports its open space strategy, defines Portobello park as“Large open space not ... meeting s...
The Convener Lab
Thank you. I invite someone from group 4 to cover any points that have not already been addressed.
Stephen Carr
Good morning. My name is Stephen Carr and I have lived in Portobello, about a mile from the park, for five years. I will cover objections concerning the loss...
The Convener Lab
Thank you, Mr Carr. I now invite a spokesperson from group 2 to speak on the second set of issues, which is the social, environmental and financial impact.
Gillian Dunn
Excuse me, but Dr McCulloch would like to speak on the health issues. We were told that that would be acceptable, if we are still on category 1.
The Convener Lab
Yes. I will allow him in, but I refer you back to what I said, which was to invite “a spokesperson from group 4”—one spokesperson.
Gillian Dunn
So—
The Convener Lab
I said“I now invite a spokesperson from group 4”—which is your group—to cover any points that were not already addressed, which is when Mr Carr spoke. “A spo...
Dr Gordon McCulloch
I will try to be concise. My name is Gordon McCulloch, and until recently I was a general practitioner in Portobello where, for 25 years, I cared for 5,000 p...
The Convener Lab
I am sorry. Can I interrupt? Just speak on Portobello park, please. You are obviously making an interesting point, but you should speak specifically on the p...
Dr McCulloch
I am certainly going to come to that.
The Convener Lab
I would like you to come to it now, please.
Dr McCulloch
I am trying to make the point. Point 1 is that green space is good for health and destruction of green space is bad for health. Am I allowed to make that point?
The Convener Lab
You can make the point, but you do not need to talk about the 1800s all the way through to now to make it.
Dr McCulloch
I am sorry, but I am talking about the human intuition of green space, which I think is a reasonable point.
The Convener Lab
It is if you can be concise.
Dr McCulloch
I am now going to come on to a summary of my submission.