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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab

The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08480, in the name of Stewart Maxwell, on decision making on whether to take children into care.I call St...

Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP

Today’s debate comes soon after the stage 1 debate on the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill. That discussion demonstrated strong cross-party support ...

The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell) SNP

I welcome this afternoon’s debate, which the Education and Culture Committee has brought to the chamber following its recent inquiry. I congratulate the comm...

Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab

One of the ways to help young children in particular is childcare. Today, we have learned that the Scottish Government will receive £300 million in consequen...

Aileen Campbell SNP

We have made clear within our bill our commitment to supporting children in their earliest years and we have set out our aspiration with the 600 hours of chi...

Neil Findlay Lab

Will the minister take an intervention?

Aileen Campbell SNP

Neil Findlay needs to consider his tone during this debate, which is about trying to work constructively together on this important issue.Improvement of corp...

Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab

As I am the newest member of the Education and Culture Committee, some might say that I had the luxury of considering the final report without having to unde...

Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con

I put on record apologies from my colleague Mary Scanlon, who was due to participate in the debate. As a result of the travel situation she has had to head b...

Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD

The member will recall the debate that we had in the committee about the fact that early intervention does not relate simply to the early years. Does she sha...

Liz Smith Con

I absolutely share that concern—I do not think that we could doubt the evidence that was given to the committee on that point. However, we have had other car...

The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab

We now turn to the open debate. At this stage, I can offer speeches of around six minutes, with time for interventions.15:22

George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP

The debate comes on the back of the Education and Culture Committee’s extensive inquiry into decision making on whether to take young children into care. As ...

Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab

I thank the committee for taking on this challenging and contentious subject and for producing such a thoughtful and, I hope, helpful report.Given the broad ...

Liam McArthur LD

One of the other things that we heard about early intervention is that it is not just about intervening with a view to taking a child away; it is about arriv...

Ken Macintosh Lab

I entirely agree with Mr McArthur. Although I was highlighting acute need, I will return to that point and the need for quick support, early intervention and...

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con

As members will be aware, there is quite a bit of time in hand, which will allow for interventions and even the development of themes and ideas. I now call C...

Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP

Presiding Officer, thank you for that challenge at the start of my speech. I begin by associating myself with Stewart Maxwell’s comments about the witnesses ...

Liz Smith Con

Clare Adamson has pointed to the frustration that I feel, and I do not deny that we have come some way towards addressing the problem. However, one of the mo...

Clare Adamson SNP

I absolutely agree, and I have had the same experience when listening to such comments. However, we must recognise that the committee’s initial inquiry ident...

Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD

The issue of looked-after children and young people and how we improve the life experiences and outcomes for that group has dominated the work of the Educati...

Stewart Maxwell SNP

I have listened to Liam McArthur’s speech very carefully and I agree with what he says. Does he share my concern about the decision-making process that leads...

Liam McArthur LD

The committee convener is absolutely right on that point. It was one of the most striking aspects of the evidence that we received. Such situations almost se...

Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP

The inquiry has in some respects been difficult for the Education and Culture Committee. I for one hoped that, somewhere among the wealth of information and ...

Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP

I rise to speak in the debate with little expertise in this subject, but with a great interest in it. That interest stems partly from my years as the chair o...

Ken Macintosh Lab

Will the member give way?

Fiona McLeod SNP

I will, but I probably will not understand Mr Macintosh’s point.

Ken Macintosh Lab

My question is simply this: why would it be helpful for my six children to have a named person?

Fiona McLeod SNP

I am a parent, like Ken Macintosh, and we never know when we might find ourselves vulnerable as a family. I do my absolute best as a parent, but that is not ...

Ken Macintosh Lab

Will Fiona McLeod give way on that point?