Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2013
31 Oct 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Play Strategy Action Plan
I welcome this debate and the Government’s play strategy action plan. The Scottish Government says that it wants Scotland to be the best place in the world to grow up in, which is a bold and ambitious statement. However, as the minister correctly said, we should never shy away from being ambitious about our children, because we must ensure that we can build everything that we can for them as they are our future.
After listening to Jayne Baxter’s speech, I think that her family is similar to mine. She said that her grandchildren go and play and learn to fight, which is similar to my family’s get-togethers at times. How many times have our children come in with a grazed knee or having fallen out with someone? However, that is all part of growing up; it is about learning life skills and what the big, bad world is all about. Playing helps young children to move on in their lives.
Some people might say that I have never lost my ability to play, and that might be confirmed by one look at my office in the Parliament or my constituency office, which some constituents have said looks like a 13-year-old boy’s bedroom. I add that it is all football stuff, in case anyone thinks anything else. What George Bernard Shaw said might not be true of me.
The action plan sets out how we can deliver on Scotland’s first play strategy, which was published in June and is the most progressive of its kind in the UK. The first of the three principles behind the strategy is that we should value all children and young people, and the tone of this debate shows that members throughout the chamber do that.
The second principle is that we should enable all children and young people to realise their right to play. The minister mentioned signs saying “No ball games”. I remember seeing those when I was younger, but we did not think that it was a rule; we kept playing until someone came out and chased us. Now, people in society are not quite as tolerant as they were in the past. Politicians, be they local councillors or elected members here in the Parliament, get people complaining about young people playing in some of the open spaces that we have. We seriously need to address the issue, because we have to ensure that children and young people have opportunities to express themselves, and part of that is having the time and space to play.
I have grown quite tall as the years have gone on, but the world seemed an awful lot bigger when I used to play in the Gleniffer braes on the long summer days. We know we are getting old when we start talking about such things in our childhoods, but that is the kind of thing that I want for young people now. I want them, when they are older, to remember their childhood in that way as well, because that is what makes the difference.
The action plan is structured around four domains. The first is the home, and the plan states that homes should be
“places where children ... enjoy plentiful play opportunities”.
Some of the points that were made earlier are quite correct. When I was younger it was the case that, at family get-togethers, we all played together as a family, whether it was the board games at Christmas, when we would all fall out and the fighting would start again, or other games. When we look at the success of the Nintendo Wii, we see that all that it did was to modernise the whole thing. It meant that maw, paw and the weans could play together around the computer and engage together in a game that they were all interested in.
In our family, it was a question of who was the bigger kid, because my father was incorrigible. We used to play with a balloon in the room—with the whole family playing. It was like before association football rules, when everybody just kept running about. My mum always worried about the crystal in the living room. These are the things that we remember as we get older. They develop us and make us closer to our families.
We have to ensure that there are high-quality play opportunities at nursery schools, and that there is outdoor free play as well. We may not have the weather for that, but there have to be opportunities for everyone to access nature and see what is out there in the world. As has already been said, young people now tend to spend more time in their homes using computers and the internet. Let us not Google nature; let us go out there and see what is happening in the real world.
There also has to be sufficient space for play in the community. Much has been said about that so far. It is up to local authorities to ensure that that space is available. When I was a councillor, we decided that we would find a way to find money for play areas. I was the chair of the local area committee in Paisley south, and we set aside moneys to make sure that we could get over the cross-generational boundaries and reclaim our parks. We invested in multi-use play areas. Not all the money came from the council, as we managed to find money from various other sources as well.
We ensured that we spent money, and eventually we renovated some of the tennis courts. If we had not done that, they would have gone. As Liz Smith said, it is important to ensure that people of all ages can play sports, but the political will has to exist locally. There were times when I thought that it was an impossible task, but we just have to say that we can find the money for that investment and push towards getting it. Other members who were councillors will probably speak in the debate, and they will probably tell their stories as well. It is a case of actually going out there to make sure that we give young people space.
Another thing that we spoke about then was teaching kids to play some of the older, traditional games that we all played when we were younger. We now have that in one of our parks, and the kids love it. Play is something that crosses the generations.
We have to be bold and ambitious, but we also have to remember our inner child when we make decisions. We have to make sure that, as well as talking about play in the chamber, we try our best to engage across the parties to deliver as well.
15:09
After listening to Jayne Baxter’s speech, I think that her family is similar to mine. She said that her grandchildren go and play and learn to fight, which is similar to my family’s get-togethers at times. How many times have our children come in with a grazed knee or having fallen out with someone? However, that is all part of growing up; it is about learning life skills and what the big, bad world is all about. Playing helps young children to move on in their lives.
Some people might say that I have never lost my ability to play, and that might be confirmed by one look at my office in the Parliament or my constituency office, which some constituents have said looks like a 13-year-old boy’s bedroom. I add that it is all football stuff, in case anyone thinks anything else. What George Bernard Shaw said might not be true of me.
The action plan sets out how we can deliver on Scotland’s first play strategy, which was published in June and is the most progressive of its kind in the UK. The first of the three principles behind the strategy is that we should value all children and young people, and the tone of this debate shows that members throughout the chamber do that.
The second principle is that we should enable all children and young people to realise their right to play. The minister mentioned signs saying “No ball games”. I remember seeing those when I was younger, but we did not think that it was a rule; we kept playing until someone came out and chased us. Now, people in society are not quite as tolerant as they were in the past. Politicians, be they local councillors or elected members here in the Parliament, get people complaining about young people playing in some of the open spaces that we have. We seriously need to address the issue, because we have to ensure that children and young people have opportunities to express themselves, and part of that is having the time and space to play.
I have grown quite tall as the years have gone on, but the world seemed an awful lot bigger when I used to play in the Gleniffer braes on the long summer days. We know we are getting old when we start talking about such things in our childhoods, but that is the kind of thing that I want for young people now. I want them, when they are older, to remember their childhood in that way as well, because that is what makes the difference.
The action plan is structured around four domains. The first is the home, and the plan states that homes should be
“places where children ... enjoy plentiful play opportunities”.
Some of the points that were made earlier are quite correct. When I was younger it was the case that, at family get-togethers, we all played together as a family, whether it was the board games at Christmas, when we would all fall out and the fighting would start again, or other games. When we look at the success of the Nintendo Wii, we see that all that it did was to modernise the whole thing. It meant that maw, paw and the weans could play together around the computer and engage together in a game that they were all interested in.
In our family, it was a question of who was the bigger kid, because my father was incorrigible. We used to play with a balloon in the room—with the whole family playing. It was like before association football rules, when everybody just kept running about. My mum always worried about the crystal in the living room. These are the things that we remember as we get older. They develop us and make us closer to our families.
We have to ensure that there are high-quality play opportunities at nursery schools, and that there is outdoor free play as well. We may not have the weather for that, but there have to be opportunities for everyone to access nature and see what is out there in the world. As has already been said, young people now tend to spend more time in their homes using computers and the internet. Let us not Google nature; let us go out there and see what is happening in the real world.
There also has to be sufficient space for play in the community. Much has been said about that so far. It is up to local authorities to ensure that that space is available. When I was a councillor, we decided that we would find a way to find money for play areas. I was the chair of the local area committee in Paisley south, and we set aside moneys to make sure that we could get over the cross-generational boundaries and reclaim our parks. We invested in multi-use play areas. Not all the money came from the council, as we managed to find money from various other sources as well.
We ensured that we spent money, and eventually we renovated some of the tennis courts. If we had not done that, they would have gone. As Liz Smith said, it is important to ensure that people of all ages can play sports, but the political will has to exist locally. There were times when I thought that it was an impossible task, but we just have to say that we can find the money for that investment and push towards getting it. Other members who were councillors will probably speak in the debate, and they will probably tell their stories as well. It is a case of actually going out there to make sure that we give young people space.
Another thing that we spoke about then was teaching kids to play some of the older, traditional games that we all played when we were younger. We now have that in one of our parks, and the kids love it. Play is something that crosses the generations.
We have to be bold and ambitious, but we also have to remember our inner child when we make decisions. We have to make sure that, as well as talking about play in the chamber, we try our best to engage across the parties to deliver as well.
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In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08099, in the name of Aileen Campbell, on the play strategy action plan.
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
Maria Montessori said that “Play is the work of the child.” If we are a country that truly wants to become the best place to grow up in, we need to become a ...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
On the UNCRC, is the minister still considering changing the wording in the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill to “having due regard to” as opposed to...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
The Education and Culture Committee has taken a lot of evidence on that, and the process will be on-going through the stages of the bill. We are certainly ve...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
SNP
Does the minister take a view on the prevalence of “No ball games” signs in many areas, which often act as a deterrent to outdoor play for children and which...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Absolutely. As I said, people should view open spaces as being equally for the benefit of children across the country and should allow children to access the...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
I doubt that anybody will quibble with the central ethos of the play strategy that we are debating this afternoon, as it goes without saying that play is par...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I take on board Liz Smith’s points. I know that we have an ideological difference when it comes to the approaches in the bill, but she is keen on culture cha...
Liz Smith
Con
I thank the minister. I do not disagree with that. There are some deep-seated issues, and I heard the minister say earlier that she believes that in some sit...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to open for the Labour Party in this debate and to welcome the publication of the Scottish Government’s play strategy and action plan. I have wo...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I made it clear in my opening speech that the strategy was not just about the play sector but about bringing lots of different departments together. For exam...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
I must ask Jayne Baxter to draw to a close.
Jayne Baxter
Lab
Okay. I thank the minister for her comments.There are some big aspirations in the action plan, and I hope that the minister will return to the chamber in the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
We now come to the open debate. I remind members that if they wish to speak in the debate, they should press their request-to-speak buttons. That is particul...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome this debate and the Government’s play strategy action plan. The Scottish Government says that it wants Scotland to be the best place in the world t...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the minister for bringing this debate to the chamber, and particularly for her excellent timing. I do not imagine that I am the only one here who wil...
Liz Smith
Con
Ken Macintosh has made an exceptionally valid point. Does he agree that we should be concerned when what I would call common sense about some children’s play...
Ken Macintosh
Lab
I entirely agree with that point, and I might get the chance later to talk about the risk-averse culture. Yes, there are stories of people banning conkers an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I remind members that speeches should be of six minutes. I call Mark McDonald, to be followed by James Dornan.15:17
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
SNP
On 7 August, part of the city centre of Aberdeen was essentially turned into a playground, with 250 to 300 children participating in the Aberdeen national pl...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
SNP
There is no doubt that there are clear long-term economic and social benefits attached to play, and that investing in children’s play is one of the most impo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Before Christian Allard begins, I remind members to address one other by their full names, not only because that is required by protocol, but because it make...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the Scottish Government’s action plan. We judge a society by how it looks after its children. As many members have mentioned, we have a lot to lear...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to contribute to this important debate on the Scottish Government’s play strategy and the wider efforts that are being made to ensure that Scotl...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
It is extremely important that the minister talked about the fact that article 31 of the UNCRC mentions that every child has the right to play. That is the r...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
It is too easy to dismiss play as a trivial activity for children. The reality is that play is about much more than just having fun. Like many other members,...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Like all my colleagues in the chamber, I fully support the development of a national play strategy. Play and recreation are essential to the health and wellb...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I have a constructive point to make. I hope that Mary Fee would welcome the early years task force, which is the group that administers the change fund. Fami...
Mary Fee
Lab
I thank the minister for that clarity. Those families are an important section of society, and I am pleased that they will not be overlooked.I fully support ...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I support the play strategy, as a father and grandfather. My grandson Ruaridh is now a year and a half old, and he teaches his grandfather how to play—of cou...