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Education and Culture Committee 14 January 2014

14 Jan 2014 · S4 · Education and Culture Committee
Item of business
Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
What a difference a week makes. I know that we were unable to deal with part 6 of the bill last week, for perfectly understandable reasons, but it leaves us wondering what might have been. Would the minister have been granted licence to pre-empt the First Minister’s announcement later in the day regarding the extension of early learning and childcare provision for two-year-olds, or would Mr Salmond have required her to block the Opposition amendments in this grouping that are aimed at doing just that, in order to keep his powder dry?Whatever the case, I reiterate my colleague Willie Rennie’s welcome for the substance of what was announced last Tuesday afternoon. Although the 27 per cent of two-year-olds who stand to benefit from the extension in provision by the summer of next year falls short—as Neil Bibby explained—of the 40 per cent that are covered south of the border, that is by any measure a major advance on what the Scottish Government had originally proposed in the bill.The extension will bring real benefits to some of the most disadvantaged two-year-olds from this year onwards, and I congratulate the minister on that change of position. Colleagues will recall that an extension has been a priority for Scottish Liberal Democrats over successive budgets. It reflects our belief that, welcome though the plans are for three and four-year-olds, it is the investment before the age of three that can make the most significant difference in closing gaps in cognitive development, social skills and so on, and ultimately in attainment and outcomes later in life. That was the thrust of the evidence that we received from Save the Children, among others, and of the well-established empirical findings of Nobel laureate Professor James Heckman. If those gaps are not closed at that stage, it is difficult—if not impossible—to close them subsequently. That is why my colleague Willie Rennie has been pressing the First Minister on the issue week after week. Initially, those calls were rejected on the basis of policy differences between the Scottish Liberal Democrats and the Government. More recently, the SNP ministers have argued that, in order to deliver ambitious plans for early learning and childcare for two-year-olds, we first need the powers of independence. Given that childcare is an entirely devolved area, that position was never credible, and last week’s announcement has thankfully put it to rest.Not surprisingly, I am still keen for the Government to go further and to be more ambitious in the bill. Moreover, the delays in reaching the current position have had the unfortunate consequence—as Neil Bibby said—of limiting the scope for us to properly scrutinise the Government's proposals for two-year-olds, which we are told will be introduced in secondary legislation rather than in the text of the bill.In that context, the amendments in this grouping are very valuable. Indeed, they perhaps offer members an opportunity not only to keep the Government honest but to press for greater ambition yet. I support Neil Bibby’s amendments, albeit that they go further than the figure of 40 per cent of two-year-olds that we have proposed until now. Ultimately, that is where we should be heading. Of course, it may be achievable only in stages, and my amendments address the ways in which eligibility criteria might be extended, although it seems logical to start with free school meals and tax credits.Amendment 338 links eligibility to disability living allowance, reflecting the additional or specialist needs that that group of two-year-olds may have. Access to quality early learning and/or childcare in that context would be hugely beneficial in laying the foundations for improved outcomes in later life.Amendment 339 widens the criteria to include those identified as having additional support needs and could make a dramatic difference to later outcomes. It also chimes with the approach that is taken in the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2009.Amendment 240 ties eligibility to those whose parents are in receipt of state pension credit. Although the previous two categories will be covered south of the border only from September 2014, two-year-olds in this group already benefit from what is being put in place by the coalition Government. The amendment also picks up a slight deficiency in Neil Bibby’s proposals, which appear to exclude this group of two-year-olds on the basis of the age of their parents or guardians. I think that he would perhaps accept that.Again, I welcome the progress that has been made on the issue over the past week. The new year appears to have ushered in a new willingness on the part of the Government to listen. However, I urge the minister to go further and to support an even greater level of ambition for two-year-olds from the most disadvantaged backgrounds. On that basis, I will move the amendments in my name.

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The Convener (Stewart Maxwell) SNP
Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2014 of the Education and Culture Committee. I remind everyone present to switch off their mobile phones a...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 337, in the name of Liam McArthur, is in a group on its own.
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Shortly, we will come to the substance of what we are looking to the bill to achieve on early learning and childcare but, whatever we decide in that context,...
The Convener SNP
As no other members wish to speak, I call the minister.
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell) SNP
Amendment 337 seeks to amend the early learning and childcare provisions to include specific reference to the aims of those provisions. It is unusual to plac...
Liam McArthur LD
I listened to what the minister said, particularly about the practical effect of amendment 337. Nevertheless, there would be value in setting out more clearl...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 337 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division.ForBaxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)Smith, Liz (Mid S...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0.Amendment 337 disagreed to.Section 42 agreed to.Section 43—Duty to secure provision of early l...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 48, in the name of Liz Smith, is grouped with amendments 49 and 50.
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Thousands of children lose out on nursery provision simply because they were born in the wrong month. Children who were born between 1 September and 29 Febru...
Liam McArthur LD
Like Liz Smith and other members, during stage 1, I raised the issue of potential discrepancies in relation to how some children would benefit from the addit...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
My concern with a change to commencement dates is that there seems to be no funding available for it. The amendments do not indicate where the funding would ...
Aileen Campbell SNP
As we have heard, amendments 48 to 50, through moving to a system of all children receiving two full years of funded early learning and childcare, would resu...
Liz Smith Con
I listened carefully to what the minister said, which repeated the comment that the Scottish Government has made before—that the current policy makes the bes...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 48 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division.ForBaxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)Smith, Liz (Mid S...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0.Amendment 48 disagreed to.
The Convener SNP
Amendment 84, in the name of Neil Bibby, is grouped with amendments 338, 85, 86, 339 and 340.
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak to my amendments 84 to 86, which would increase and guarantee the number of two-year-old children in Scotland who are eligible for earl...
Liam McArthur LD
What a difference a week makes. I know that we were unable to deal with part 6 of the bill last week, for perfectly understandable reasons, but it leaves us ...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I will speak to amendments 84 to 86. The bill has always been a starting point for the Scottish Government’s ambitions and I am sure that, as Neil Bibby said...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Liz Smith Con
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The Convener SNP
I must be honest and say that, without proper analysis of where the finance would come from, it is impossible to see how any member can seriously consider su...
Aileen Campbell SNP
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Neil Bibby Lab
I want to rebut some of the highly misleading claims of Joan McAlpine, the minister and the convener, who said that Labour voted against increased childcare ...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Will you take an intervention?
Neil Bibby Lab
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