Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2013
05 Nov 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Person-centred Healthcare
Despite certain parts of the previous two speeches, I think—and hope—that the debate is likely to be another fairly consensual one on health. None of us can deny the importance of person-centred healthcare in achieving the best possible health outcomes for people who are using the NHS.
I hope that the days are long gone when patients were told what was best for them and when hospital consultants stood at their beds and discussed their condition with a retinue of staff and medical students—as I am sure my colleague Richard Simpson will remember; it is very good to see him back in the chamber—with scant reference to the patients themselves and in language that was almost impossible for a lay person to understand.
In the days of yore, when I was a practising anaesthetist, I used to see my patients after the ward round, and I usually had to explain to them in simple language what lay ahead because they had completely failed to pick that up from the preceding discussion around their bed. There was little—if any—patient participation in discussing possible treatment options, and patients just assumed that the doctors knew best and that they were passive recipients of their care.
It is obviously right that those days are behind us and that patients themselves are involved in making decisions about their health. However, that means that they must become active partners in their own care by, for example, self-managing their long-term conditions and adjusting their lifestyle to avoid the complications of obesity, high blood pressure and other common features of the modern Western world.
To achieve that, and to maintain a good quality of life for as long as possible—nowadays, often into extreme old age—people require support from a health and social care system that is focused on their needs rather than on those of the care providers, whether they are in the community or in hospital. That requires a well-trained, well-resourced workforce at all levels and in all parts of Scotland, which is difficult to achieve when the needs of an ageing population are growing year by year and enormous pressure is being put on restricted financial budgets.
Much has been done and is being done to improve the patient experience and to put people at the heart of healthcare planning. There is a plethora of patient-centred programmes in the NHS: Scotland’s patient experience programme, better together; living and dying well; the Long Term Conditions Alliance Scotland; the supporting self-management practice toolkit; and several others. The Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 and the Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill that is going through Parliament have a clear focus on patient wellbeing, and aim to improve person-centred care and to remove the barriers to accessing services by better integration of health and social care.
The thrust of all those policies is indisputably right, but there is still a long way to go to achieve their aims, principally in changing attitudes and cultures. Only last weekend, I encountered two anecdotal instances of unhappiness with the way in which older people are being dealt with. A 90-year-old man’s care at home fell short of expectation because his carers were very young and inexperienced and because they were working against pressures of time. The other case is of an elderly lady whose family had to be very assertive with staff to prevent her from being moved from ward to ward during a short hospital stay, and then being discharged before proper home care was in place. They were even told that she could not have a Zimmer frame at home until she had been formally assessed by social work.
Such anecdotal stories abound in the NHS and, although overall our NHS staff do a fantastic job, pressures on the system and inadequate staff numbers can result in a failure to achieve the best outcomes for the people who are on the receiving end of care.
For those who are at the end of their lives, I support the efforts of Marie Curie Cancer Care to have NHS Scotland carry out a national survey of the bereaved, as has been done in England, to examine all aspects of end-of-life care, including the quality of care, place of death, respect and dignity, and personal preferences. If that was done and the results were acted on, it would help to ensure that care focuses on what people really want, which is truly person-centred end-of-life care.
I am very pleased to hear that the cabinet secretary is taking primary care and the accessibility of GP services very seriously and that he is looking at what can be done to improve accessibility by working with the profession to see how bureaucracy can be reduced for GPs, giving them more time to focus on their patients.
I hope that the days are long gone when patients were told what was best for them and when hospital consultants stood at their beds and discussed their condition with a retinue of staff and medical students—as I am sure my colleague Richard Simpson will remember; it is very good to see him back in the chamber—with scant reference to the patients themselves and in language that was almost impossible for a lay person to understand.
In the days of yore, when I was a practising anaesthetist, I used to see my patients after the ward round, and I usually had to explain to them in simple language what lay ahead because they had completely failed to pick that up from the preceding discussion around their bed. There was little—if any—patient participation in discussing possible treatment options, and patients just assumed that the doctors knew best and that they were passive recipients of their care.
It is obviously right that those days are behind us and that patients themselves are involved in making decisions about their health. However, that means that they must become active partners in their own care by, for example, self-managing their long-term conditions and adjusting their lifestyle to avoid the complications of obesity, high blood pressure and other common features of the modern Western world.
To achieve that, and to maintain a good quality of life for as long as possible—nowadays, often into extreme old age—people require support from a health and social care system that is focused on their needs rather than on those of the care providers, whether they are in the community or in hospital. That requires a well-trained, well-resourced workforce at all levels and in all parts of Scotland, which is difficult to achieve when the needs of an ageing population are growing year by year and enormous pressure is being put on restricted financial budgets.
Much has been done and is being done to improve the patient experience and to put people at the heart of healthcare planning. There is a plethora of patient-centred programmes in the NHS: Scotland’s patient experience programme, better together; living and dying well; the Long Term Conditions Alliance Scotland; the supporting self-management practice toolkit; and several others. The Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 and the Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill that is going through Parliament have a clear focus on patient wellbeing, and aim to improve person-centred care and to remove the barriers to accessing services by better integration of health and social care.
The thrust of all those policies is indisputably right, but there is still a long way to go to achieve their aims, principally in changing attitudes and cultures. Only last weekend, I encountered two anecdotal instances of unhappiness with the way in which older people are being dealt with. A 90-year-old man’s care at home fell short of expectation because his carers were very young and inexperienced and because they were working against pressures of time. The other case is of an elderly lady whose family had to be very assertive with staff to prevent her from being moved from ward to ward during a short hospital stay, and then being discharged before proper home care was in place. They were even told that she could not have a Zimmer frame at home until she had been formally assessed by social work.
Such anecdotal stories abound in the NHS and, although overall our NHS staff do a fantastic job, pressures on the system and inadequate staff numbers can result in a failure to achieve the best outcomes for the people who are on the receiving end of care.
For those who are at the end of their lives, I support the efforts of Marie Curie Cancer Care to have NHS Scotland carry out a national survey of the bereaved, as has been done in England, to examine all aspects of end-of-life care, including the quality of care, place of death, respect and dignity, and personal preferences. If that was done and the results were acted on, it would help to ensure that care focuses on what people really want, which is truly person-centred end-of-life care.
I am very pleased to hear that the cabinet secretary is taking primary care and the accessibility of GP services very seriously and that he is looking at what can be done to improve accessibility by working with the profession to see how bureaucracy can be reduced for GPs, giving them more time to focus on their patients.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08155, in the name of Alex Neil, on person-centred healthcare.14:12
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Alex Neil)
SNP
I thought that it would be useful for us to have a fairly wide-ranging debate on health and social care in Scotland, given where we are—particularly as we ar...
Neil Findlay
Lab
Before the cabinet secretary moves off the subject of GPs, will he address the system of GP appointments? In some practices, people have to take a ticket as ...
Alex Neil
SNP
We are already looking into it, and a number of pilot schemes have been carried out in Midlothian. In one GP surgery, the patients preferred not to have an a...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I begin by declaring an interest, in that my wife and daughter work in the NHS.I say at the outset that Scottish Labour shares and supports the good intentio...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
SNP
I take on board what the member is saying, but as he will know there have always been and will always be individual examples of people whose care does not me...
Neil Findlay
Lab
That might be the case from a survey, but I tend rather to speak to people on a daily basis who come to my surgery, email me and talk to me. I am sure that m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I ask you to move your amendment, Mr Findlay.
Neil Findlay
Lab
I move amendment S4M-08155.1, to insert at end:“; commends the hard work and dedication of those working in Scotland’s health and care services, and calls on...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD)
LD
I, too, welcome the opportunity to participate in this afternoon’s wide-ranging debate.In 2010, when the Deputy First Minister introduced the Patient Rights ...
Alex Neil
SNP
I explain to the member that one reason why there are so many more vacancies is that there are many more jobs because we have doubled the number of consultan...
Jim Hume
LD
I am grateful for that, but the situation is worse with nurses and midwives. In June, there were 1,672.9 whole-time equivalent vacancies. The number of vacan...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
Despite certain parts of the previous two speeches, I think—and hope—that the debate is likely to be another fairly consensual one on health. None of us can ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Is the member aware of the fact that the guidance that was issued on the quality outcomes framework in May this year, one month after it came in, ran to 224 ...
Nanette Milne
Con
I confess that I was not aware of that, but it is interesting information—I thank Dr Simpson.When my husband did GP locums after retiring from full-time prac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Before we move to the open debate, I remind members that those who participate in the debate must be in the chamber for closing speeches at the end of the de...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I am delighted to speak in today’s debate on person-centred care. As deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee, I often meet stakeholder groups in he...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Last week, I and a number of colleagues from Lanarkshire met Healthcare Improvement Scotland’s review team. During what I thought was a productive meeting, t...
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on a fundamental principle in the delivery of safe, effective and world-class care for the people of Scotla...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
The Scottish Government’s ambitious plans for person-centred healthcare are to be welcomed. The Scottish Government introduced its healthcare quality strateg...
Neil Findlay
Lab
Maybe I could mention the other side of self-directed support. People come to us from third sector organisations that provide person-centred support and they...
George Adam
SNP
If I was Mr Findlay, I would make sure that I was speaking in the right debate when I said things. What he raises is more a procurement issue than an issue a...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The Royal College of Nursing tells us that person-centred care is one of its eight principles of nursing practice. It is a holistic approach based on mutual ...
Alex Neil
SNP
Our capital budget has been cut by 26 per cent this year alone. That cut originated from Alistair Darling. It is impossible to meet all the original commitme...
Margaret McCulloch
Lab
We support the protection of front-line services; that is not happening under the SNP’s watch.Meanwhile, plans for minor injuries units in places such as Cum...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
The ambition to have person-centred healthcare is not new, as I know from my many years as a health service librarian. More than 20 years ago, I worked in pa...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
SNP
We have heard much about what person-centred healthcare and support are. A 2011 Joseph Rowntree Foundation report entitled “Transforming social care: sustain...
Neil Findlay
Lab
I am sure that the member will be gracious enough to acknowledge that, because the Government could not meet the targets, the cabinet secretary had to change...
Mark McDonald
SNP
It is good to see that Mr Findlay does not accept the progress that the Government has been making on accident and emergency waiting times.During Mr Findlay’...
Dr Simpson
Lab
We passed an excellent Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011 with a new complaints system that includes the four Cs: compliments, comments, concerns and complai...