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Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2013

05 Nov 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Person-centred Healthcare
That might be the case from a survey, but I tend rather to speak to people on a daily basis who come to my surgery, email me and talk to me. I am sure that members across the Parliament, irrespective of which party they are in, have the same experience as me.

Of course, we also have A and E waiting times, with targets that were missed for four years and then changed to try and help the Government to meet them, which mean that the goalposts were moved in the middle of the match. How does that sleight of hand fit with person-centred healthcare? The cabinet secretary mentioned GP practices, but there are some practices in which patients cannot get an appointment, staffing is stretched and GPs want to spend more time with patients with complex needs but are unable to do so.

It is those areas and the general state of the nation in Scotland’s NHS that should be debated. I suspect that the people of Scotland, the patients and their families, and the staff working heroically under enormous and growing pressure would prefer us to consider the nuts and bolts and day-to-day realities of the world as they face it rather than the woolly but worthy motion presented today.

In such a debate we could hear from the Government on basic questions. Do we have enough staff? Are they in the right places? How many patients should doctors be expected to look after? Is the level of financing right? How do we develop a long-term approach? What level of care do we as a nation want to see? Those fundamental questions have been highlighted very ably by The Herald in its NHS campaign, which reflects the concerns raised by people in our communities and in our mailbags day in, day out. One consultant I spoke to recently summed it up when she said:

“If I can appeal to you to raise one thing with the government it is the need to end crisis management in the NHS—at present we just lurch from one crisis to another, we cannot go on like this.”

How does person-centred healthcare sit with that view from a person in a front-line post in the NHS?

We as a society owe the vast majority of staff working in the NHS and other care services a huge debt of thanks for their tireless and unstinting efforts to ensure that our NHS continues to function and look after us. However, the reality is that they are being asked to do that while the Government makes decisions that make their lives much more difficult. Not only are they being asked to do more with less, but the very people expected to deliver the person-centred care to which we all aspire have seen their incomes cut as wages stagnate. What kind of message did it send out to them when the cabinet secretary awarded a miserly 1 per cent pay increase to the lowest-paid staff while giving a 4 per cent rise to senior managers? Is that redistribution Alex Neil style?

How will the healthcare system support people this winter? Will the cabinet secretary give us a sign of his confidence in winter planning by guaranteeing that the waiting times will be met? Will he guarantee that? I am happy to give way to the cabinet secretary if he wants to intervene. I see that he is not taking that opportunity, which is maybe telling.

The Government itself states in its 2020 vision that there are economic challenges ahead, but those challenges are undoubtedly having an impact on healthcare across the board. Scotland’s Auditor General expressed concerns about that, putting the NHS on a financial amber warning last year. The Auditor General raised similar concerns about long-term financial planning this year.

Audit Scotland noted that pressures increased in 2012-13 and that the focus is all too often on short-term measures. A senior nurse, speaking to the media, remembered the worst years of the Thatcher Government, when hospitals were desperately underfunded, and said:

“We are definitely getting back to that now.”

What about the critical role of social care in person-centred healthcare? As a society, not just as a Parliament, we have to address the morality of a system that has been driven down to the lowest common denominator by cuts to local government. At the moment, we have a system in which care providers compete for contracts that are ever more squeezed and care staff are often paid at the lowest level. Contracts are cut to the bone, followed by wages that are at or sometimes below the minimum wage, 15-minute care slots even if people need more than that, and elderly people being put to bed at 6 o’clock because that is when their care slot is. Where is the person-centred approach in that?

What is happening in social care in the community is being repeated in the care home sector. What is going on in social care is grossly unfair to the councils and the good providers who are doing their best with reducing budgets, immoral for the staff who are involved, and inhumane for the elderly and vulnerable people who need the person-centred care that we all aspire to.

We support the principle of person-centred care—healthcare has to be built around the individual. However, I fear that this winter will be one of the most difficult yet for the NHS in Scotland, and unfortunately it will be staff and, most important, the patients who will suffer.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08155, in the name of Alex Neil, on person-centred healthcare.14:12
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Alex Neil) SNP
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Neil Findlay Lab
Before the cabinet secretary moves off the subject of GPs, will he address the system of GP appointments? In some practices, people have to take a ticket as ...
Alex Neil SNP
We are already looking into it, and a number of pilot schemes have been carried out in Midlothian. In one GP surgery, the patients preferred not to have an a...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I begin by declaring an interest, in that my wife and daughter work in the NHS.I say at the outset that Scottish Labour shares and supports the good intentio...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I take on board what the member is saying, but as he will know there have always been and will always be individual examples of people whose care does not me...
Neil Findlay Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I ask you to move your amendment, Mr Findlay.
Neil Findlay Lab
I move amendment S4M-08155.1, to insert at end:“; commends the hard work and dedication of those working in Scotland’s health and care services, and calls on...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
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Alex Neil SNP
I explain to the member that one reason why there are so many more vacancies is that there are many more jobs because we have doubled the number of consultan...
Jim Hume LD
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Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Is the member aware of the fact that the guidance that was issued on the quality outcomes framework in May this year, one month after it came in, ran to 224 ...
Nanette Milne Con
I confess that I was not aware of that, but it is interesting information—I thank Dr Simpson.When my husband did GP locums after retiring from full-time prac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before we move to the open debate, I remind members that those who participate in the debate must be in the chamber for closing speeches at the end of the de...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in today’s debate on person-centred care. As deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee, I often meet stakeholder groups in he...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Last week, I and a number of colleagues from Lanarkshire met Healthcare Improvement Scotland’s review team. During what I thought was a productive meeting, t...
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on a fundamental principle in the delivery of safe, effective and world-class care for the people of Scotla...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
The Scottish Government’s ambitious plans for person-centred healthcare are to be welcomed. The Scottish Government introduced its healthcare quality strateg...
Neil Findlay Lab
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George Adam SNP
If I was Mr Findlay, I would make sure that I was speaking in the right debate when I said things. What he raises is more a procurement issue than an issue a...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Alex Neil SNP
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Margaret McCulloch Lab
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Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
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Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
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Neil Findlay Lab
I am sure that the member will be gracious enough to acknowledge that, because the Government could not meet the targets, the cabinet secretary had to change...
Mark McDonald SNP
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Dr Simpson Lab
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