Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 25 September 2013
25 Sep 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children and Young People (Named Persons)
However, we are where we are, and on the balance of the evidence that the committee has received thus far, it is clear that there is widespread support for the introduction of the named person. Only yesterday, we heard strong evidence from Mr Bill Alexander from Highland Council—which was the national pathfinder for the implementation of GIRFEC—about the positive impact of GIRFEC, including information sharing and the named person.
I ask the Conservative group to really look at the evidence and the organisations that are supporting the named person—organisations including Barnardo’s, the NSPCC, Children 1st, the RCN, Aberlour Child Care Trust, YouthLink Scotland and many others. Of course there are legitimate questions to be asked, but that is what the committee is doing. That is its role. The NSPCC has stated:
“NSPCC Scotland support the aspiration embodied in the role of the Named Person and considers that, a single, significant individual could deliver a positive, consistent and nurturing relationship throughout the child’s journey.”
What is the named person? Children in Scotland said in its briefing for the debate that
“the Named Person is a key element of GIRFEC ensuring that there is a point of contact for every child and their parents/carers to enable wellbeing concerns to be considered in the round and appropriate early support and early intervention to be delivered if required”.
The named person approach does not mean a social worker in every home. It is not attacking the rights of parents or diminishing the central role of the family. It is about protecting children and putting the child at the centre of everything that we do—and really meaning it.
The Education and Culture Committee has just spent two years considering looked-after children; we published our report only two days ago. If members have read the report, they will understand why we need to make progress in child protection, why we need to implement GIRFEC throughout the country, and why information sharing and the central role of the named person are crucial to GIRFEC’s success.
I accept that there are people who remain to be convinced. Perhaps we need to take the view that prevention is better than cure. In other words, we put in place measures to protect children from harm, although we know and hope that the vast majority of children will never need that protection. If even one child’s life is saved, is not that worth it?
We give vaccines to babies, even though many of them will never be exposed to the diseases that the vaccines prevent. We understand that the measure does no harm but will, if needed, do a great deal of good. Why is the same not true for the named person? Who in their right mind would argue against any effort by the Government or other authority to protect our children?
If we are serious about putting child protection at the heart of everything that we do, it is only right that we put in place the best system that we can put in place. The evidence to date is that GIRFEC is that system and that the named person and information sharing are indispensable elements of it.
I ask the Conservative group to really look at the evidence and the organisations that are supporting the named person—organisations including Barnardo’s, the NSPCC, Children 1st, the RCN, Aberlour Child Care Trust, YouthLink Scotland and many others. Of course there are legitimate questions to be asked, but that is what the committee is doing. That is its role. The NSPCC has stated:
“NSPCC Scotland support the aspiration embodied in the role of the Named Person and considers that, a single, significant individual could deliver a positive, consistent and nurturing relationship throughout the child’s journey.”
What is the named person? Children in Scotland said in its briefing for the debate that
“the Named Person is a key element of GIRFEC ensuring that there is a point of contact for every child and their parents/carers to enable wellbeing concerns to be considered in the round and appropriate early support and early intervention to be delivered if required”.
The named person approach does not mean a social worker in every home. It is not attacking the rights of parents or diminishing the central role of the family. It is about protecting children and putting the child at the centre of everything that we do—and really meaning it.
The Education and Culture Committee has just spent two years considering looked-after children; we published our report only two days ago. If members have read the report, they will understand why we need to make progress in child protection, why we need to implement GIRFEC throughout the country, and why information sharing and the central role of the named person are crucial to GIRFEC’s success.
I accept that there are people who remain to be convinced. Perhaps we need to take the view that prevention is better than cure. In other words, we put in place measures to protect children from harm, although we know and hope that the vast majority of children will never need that protection. If even one child’s life is saved, is not that worth it?
We give vaccines to babies, even though many of them will never be exposed to the diseases that the vaccines prevent. We understand that the measure does no harm but will, if needed, do a great deal of good. Why is the same not true for the named person? Who in their right mind would argue against any effort by the Government or other authority to protect our children?
If we are serious about putting child protection at the heart of everything that we do, it is only right that we put in place the best system that we can put in place. The evidence to date is that GIRFEC is that system and that the named person and information sharing are indispensable elements of it.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-07783, in the name of Liz Smith, on named persons. The debate is oversubscribed and we are extremely tigh...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
I do not think that anyone who followed the Daniel Pelka case this summer could be anything other than repulsed by the depths of the depravity that confronte...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
Liz Smith is hugely misrepresenting the intention behind the bill, and I will certainly be making some remarks about our intentions in my opening speech. How...
Liz Smith
Con
If the minister cares to read much of the evidence on this, she will see that, among the legal community in particular, there are deep-seated concerns, some ...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
The member is, like me, a member of the Education and Culture Committee and will know that a consistent theme that has emerged over the past two years in our...
Liz Smith
Con
I do not accept that. The fact is that the approach taken to GIRFEC in the Highlands has been hugely successful and, as many witnesses who have given evidenc...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
The Scottish Government believes that action must be taken to put in place a proportionate system of protection, nurture and support to give all our children...
Liz Smith
Con
Is not it the case that those parents were parents of children who required additional support rather than parents whose families did not have problems?
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I will go on to talk about some more parental input to the process as I make progress in my opening remarks.As the evidence from Highland Council eloquently ...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
Will the minister say that she needs to do more to convince parents that the idea is good? If she accepts that, how does she plan to do that over the months ...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Absolutely. As the bill progresses through Parliament, we will be able to ensure that our narrative deals with some of the issues that parents raise. As I sa...
Liz Smith
Con
Will the minister give way?
Aileen Campbell
SNP
No.That is why I believe that the named person service should be based in the universal services of health and education. We are not changing what they do; w...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
The context in which I made that observation was in relation to health visitors and the option for authorities to be able to look at families about which con...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Perhaps there is a bit of inconsistency from the Conservatives. Last session, they seemed to agree with all that we are trying to achieve with GIRFEC, but in...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to open this debate for the Scottish Labour Party. We support the principles of getting it right for every child and welcome the mo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Final minute.
Jayne Baxter
Lab
I hope that the Scottish Government will listen to the many constructive suggestions that have been made. What we have in the named person for every child is...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
In turning to the open debate, I am afraid that I have to advise members that the debate is oversubscribed, so we may have to lose a member from it. Speeches...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Unfortunately, I have to begin by expressing my disappointment that we are having this debate at this time, and that the Conservative group has brought to th...
Liz Smith
Con
As was said earlier this afternoon, is it not helpful to have a parliamentary debate to flesh out some of the concerns that have already been raised? We have...
Stewart Maxwell
SNP
I am sorry, but Liz Smith spent part of her speech criticising specific points in the evidence about particular words and their definitions. It is exactly th...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Oh, come on! Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Order, please.
Stewart Maxwell
SNP
However, we are where we are, and on the balance of the evidence that the committee has received thus far, it is clear that there is widespread support for t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call Ken Macintosh, to be followed by Clare Adamson.16:21
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
I find myself in unfamiliar territory. I have always supported the GIRFEC approach to child protection and I continue to back the principles behind getting i...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
Ken Macintosh grossly misrepresents what the named person is. There are many times and instances in which the child—like his children and my children—will no...
Ken Macintosh
Lab
I have no difficulty accessing my children’s teacher, health visitor or anyone else, and I do not see why they have to be a named person. The approach does n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I repeat to members that I have no extra time available in this debate; there are no seconds at all.I call Gavin Brown, to be followed by George Adam.16:26