Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 25 September 2013
25 Sep 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Corroboration
No. I am sorry, but I only have five minutes and I am halfway through.
Supporters of abolition argue that the proving of guilt would be dependent on the quality of the evidence rather than its quantity. That is the view of Police Scotland, for example, which states in its written evidence:
“the ... requirement for corroboration of every material fact is ... an anachronism.”
However, there are some potent arguments on the side of the retention of the requirement for corroboration. The Law Society, the Faculty of Advocates and Justice Scotland argue that it is a fundamental principle of the Scottish criminal justice system and that the proposed two-thirds majority verdict is an insufficient safeguard against possible wrongful conviction on the evidence of a plausible and convincing liar.
The Scottish Government consulted on other safeguards, such as giving judges the power to acquit the accused without reference to the jury if it is considered that no reasonable jury could convict, and also removing the third verdict. It is important that that is considered, and I welcome the fact that the cabinet secretary has said that he is prepared to consider it. As colleagues will know, Michael McMahon MSP has proposed introducing a member’s bill to that effect, and it could be considered at the same time.
The abolition of the requirement for corroboration could have other consequences. The Scottish Police Federation and the Law Society of Scotland fear that, if it is removed, there could be more malicious prosecutions of police officers and people who work in one-to-one situations, such as social workers and prison officers.
The Police Federation and Justice Scotland argue that conviction rates in England, where there is no requirement for corroboration, are little different from those in Scotland, so there is no evidence that removing the requirement for corroboration will result in more successful prosecutions. Organisations that represent the victims of crimes such as sexual violence, while welcoming abolition and opposing—as it happens—the increase in the majority verdict, argue that the education of juries and a fundamental change in attitude are central to the successful prosecution of domestic and sexual crimes and to encouraging victims to come forward. Therefore, it is not as simple as just taking away the requirement for corroboration; that will not be sufficient to solve the entire problem.
We believe that the Justice Committee must give due consideration to the arguments on both sides and the necessity or otherwise of additional safeguards should abolition be agreed to, and indeed to whether the definition of corroboration could be widened to take account of some of the issues, as Margaret Mitchell implied.
The Parliament should not make the decision today, and I therefore move amendment S4M-07791.2, in the name of my colleague Graeme Pearson, to leave out from “overwhelming opposition” to end and insert:
“opposition to this proposal from parts of the legal profession; believes, however, that the proposal to abolish corroboration is supported by many organisations representing the victims of crime, in particular sexual crimes, domestic violence and human trafficking, and by Police Scotland; further notes that the stage one consideration of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill by the Justice Committee began this week, and believes that scrutiny of the bill should be allowed to proceed to allow full consideration of the arguments for and against the abolition of corroboration prior to any decision being taken regarding whether the Scottish Government’s proposals to abolish corroboration should proceed.”
Supporters of abolition argue that the proving of guilt would be dependent on the quality of the evidence rather than its quantity. That is the view of Police Scotland, for example, which states in its written evidence:
“the ... requirement for corroboration of every material fact is ... an anachronism.”
However, there are some potent arguments on the side of the retention of the requirement for corroboration. The Law Society, the Faculty of Advocates and Justice Scotland argue that it is a fundamental principle of the Scottish criminal justice system and that the proposed two-thirds majority verdict is an insufficient safeguard against possible wrongful conviction on the evidence of a plausible and convincing liar.
The Scottish Government consulted on other safeguards, such as giving judges the power to acquit the accused without reference to the jury if it is considered that no reasonable jury could convict, and also removing the third verdict. It is important that that is considered, and I welcome the fact that the cabinet secretary has said that he is prepared to consider it. As colleagues will know, Michael McMahon MSP has proposed introducing a member’s bill to that effect, and it could be considered at the same time.
The abolition of the requirement for corroboration could have other consequences. The Scottish Police Federation and the Law Society of Scotland fear that, if it is removed, there could be more malicious prosecutions of police officers and people who work in one-to-one situations, such as social workers and prison officers.
The Police Federation and Justice Scotland argue that conviction rates in England, where there is no requirement for corroboration, are little different from those in Scotland, so there is no evidence that removing the requirement for corroboration will result in more successful prosecutions. Organisations that represent the victims of crimes such as sexual violence, while welcoming abolition and opposing—as it happens—the increase in the majority verdict, argue that the education of juries and a fundamental change in attitude are central to the successful prosecution of domestic and sexual crimes and to encouraging victims to come forward. Therefore, it is not as simple as just taking away the requirement for corroboration; that will not be sufficient to solve the entire problem.
We believe that the Justice Committee must give due consideration to the arguments on both sides and the necessity or otherwise of additional safeguards should abolition be agreed to, and indeed to whether the definition of corroboration could be widened to take account of some of the issues, as Margaret Mitchell implied.
The Parliament should not make the decision today, and I therefore move amendment S4M-07791.2, in the name of my colleague Graeme Pearson, to leave out from “overwhelming opposition” to end and insert:
“opposition to this proposal from parts of the legal profession; believes, however, that the proposal to abolish corroboration is supported by many organisations representing the victims of crime, in particular sexual crimes, domestic violence and human trafficking, and by Police Scotland; further notes that the stage one consideration of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill by the Justice Committee began this week, and believes that scrutiny of the bill should be allowed to proceed to allow full consideration of the arguments for and against the abolition of corroboration prior to any decision being taken regarding whether the Scottish Government’s proposals to abolish corroboration should proceed.”
References in this contribution
Motions, questions or amendments mentioned by their reference code.
- S4M-07791.2 Corroboration Motion
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-07791, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, on corroboration. We are extremely tight for time so the member ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
In support of his recommendation to abolish corroboration, Lord Carloway described it as“an archaic rule that has no place in a modern legal system”.That ass...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)
SNP
The member will be aware that Lord Carloway said that, in his extensive research, he could find no other jurisdiction in western Europe or indeed the Commonw...
Margaret Mitchell
Con
The fact that no other jurisdiction has corroboration is not sufficient reason to abolish it here. I find that a bizarre argument. The use of the word archai...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
Would it be possible to find out whether everyone who speaks agrees with going to a new set of verdicts—proven and not proven?
Margaret Mitchell
Con
No doubt they will make their position clear. My view is that, if corroboration was abolished, it would strengthen the argument for keeping a not proven verd...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
SNP
One of the things that concerns me about all of this is that, in considering 141 sexual offence cases that were dropped between July and December 2010, the C...
Margaret Mitchell
Con
I understand and sympathise with the member’s view. Perhaps I will be able to offer some comfort as I develop my argument.The comments that I have highlighte...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
Will the member give way?
Margaret Mitchell
Con
I have been very generous with interventions. If the cabinet secretary does not mind, I will develop my argument.The Parliament’s cross-party group on adult ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to respond to the motion on the proposal to abolish the general requirement for corroboration in criminal cases. That proposal is a...
Margaret Mitchell
Con
Will the cabinet secretary confirm that the Scottish Human Rights Commission is against abolition? Does he have any concern that the testimony of one witness...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
Yes, I would have concerns if it was simply the testimony of one witness, but the Lord Advocate has given clear guidance that that will not be the test. That...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
Not at the moment.I remain in complete agreement with the damning conclusion that Lord Carloway reached. He said:“the requirement of corroboration should be ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Will the cabinet secretary acknowledge that the views and recommendations of the senators of the College of Justice are somewhat different and that to accept...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
We are not simply accepting the views solely of Lord Carloway. Views have been contributed by Police Scotland, the Crown, Victim Support Scotland, Scottish W...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
Not at the moment.The law on corroboration has been debated for the past three years, and at no point has anyone identified another system operating a genera...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
Sorry, but I am running short of time.At the very least, the abolition of the requirement for corroboration will allow crimes committed in private, where the...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Lab
One of the most important functions of the committees of this Parliament is to scrutinise legislation that is proposed by the Scottish Government; it is a ro...
Margaret Mitchell
Con
Is that not an argument for taking the issue of corroboration out of the committee process and having a wide and independent debate on it now?
Elaine Murray
Lab
No, I do not think that it is. There have been many controversial provisions in Government bills over the years, but they have gone through the committee pro...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray
Lab
I am sorry; I only have five minutes.Removal of the requirement for corroboration would theoretically permit cases to go to court on the evidence of one witn...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Will the member give way?
Elaine Murray
Lab
No. I am sorry, but I only have five minutes and I am halfway through.Supporters of abolition argue that the proving of guilt would be dependent on the quali...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
We move to the open debate. We are extraordinarily tight for time. Members have up to four minutes.15:03
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I will try to be as quick as possible, Presiding Officer. Margaret Mitchell said that we should not be looking at corroboration within the Criminal Justice (...