Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 03 October 2013
03 Oct 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Common Agricultural Policy
Yes we have, and I will talk about that now because this is a key area for Scotland.
Unfortunately, our negotiator, Owen Paterson, did not want any coupled support whatsoever, never mind the 5 or 8 per cent that we finally got. Given where we have ended up, I can tell Claire Baker that I have written to Owen Paterson to ask whether the 8 per cent limit can apply to the member state rather than to Scotland, because we have had so many mixed messages from different ministers during the past few months. This is all about damage limitation. Fundamentally, the deal on coupled support remains a major disappointment for Scotland, but the deal is now done and we must turn our attention to how we implement it.
The Government has been working on that with stakeholders for several years. We have run workshops, had various groups and done extensive modelling; we also held a major conference this April. As a result, a consensus is emerging about the way forward, which takes various concerns into account. One such concern is how the move to area-based payments will impact on farmers with high payments under the current historical scheme. For example, the more intensive beef and dairy farmers are concerned about that. However, it is inevitable that their rates per hectare will come down. By definition, below average rates will rise and above average rates will fall, but there are tools that we can use to mitigate the impact and, we hope, manage the transition.
In doing that, we must be aware of the impact on farmers who have been excluded from the single farm payment until now, such as new entrants and deer farmers. They must be put on a level playing field as quickly as possible, even if we give other farmers more time to adapt. Of course, we must also keep our eyes open for loopholes. We know that people like loopholes in agricultural legislation, and undoubtedly some people are already thinking that if they have an empty hillside with some deer on it, they can qualify for big CAP payments. The answer to that, incidentally, is no. However, there is always a minority who will try to exploit the system and we need to be aware of that.
Speaking of exploiting the system, under the Scottish clause we must find minimum activity rules that keep slipper farmers out of the system while letting genuine extensive hill farmers in.
We must also look at the impact of the greening measures. Greening presents a great opportunity. I want every farmer in this country to be getting greener over time. Consumers are paying increasing attention to how their food is produced, and Scotland has a great reputation for green and natural food that we can exploit in valuable overseas markets as well as at home. That means that we must be genuinely green. Scotland is not the worst in the class. For example, we do not have the extreme arable monocultures that the three-crop rule is aimed at tackling; other European countries have that. However, at the same time, we must be aware that we have competitors who want to be seen as green and they are catching up with Scotland.
Even in Scotland, we must accept that we face some genuine environmental challenges. Our index of farmland birds has gone down in each of the last three years of data. On water quality, only 60 per cent of our bodies of water are in good condition, which is below the long-term target of 98 per cent, and that has not improved in the past four years. There are many wins to be secured if we get things right. We must address our genuine environmental challenges. In doing so, we can stay ahead of our competitors and ensure that our fantastic natural products succeed in tomorrow’s markets.
To deliver those wins, we have to take many of the important decisions that lie ahead of us. Unfortunately, those decisions will be all the more difficult because of the budget that has been negotiated by the UK Government. In the new CAP, Scotland will probably have lower rates per hectare in both pillars than every other member state in Europe. That is even worse than what we get today. If Scotland had been a member state, we would automatically have got an uplift to €196 per hectare in pillar 1. As I have said before, that would bring in an extra €1 billion up to 2020. We could also have negotiated an uplift in pillar 2, in the same way as 16 other member states have done. Finland got a €600 million uplift, Portugal got €500 million, Slovenia got €150 million, Lithuania got an extra €100 million, and so on. However, the UK Government took the decision not to press Scotland’s case.
If the UK Government was not willing to get us a decent deal from Europe, the least that it could have delivered was a fair division of the funding within the UK. We urgently need agreement on that.
Unfortunately, our negotiator, Owen Paterson, did not want any coupled support whatsoever, never mind the 5 or 8 per cent that we finally got. Given where we have ended up, I can tell Claire Baker that I have written to Owen Paterson to ask whether the 8 per cent limit can apply to the member state rather than to Scotland, because we have had so many mixed messages from different ministers during the past few months. This is all about damage limitation. Fundamentally, the deal on coupled support remains a major disappointment for Scotland, but the deal is now done and we must turn our attention to how we implement it.
The Government has been working on that with stakeholders for several years. We have run workshops, had various groups and done extensive modelling; we also held a major conference this April. As a result, a consensus is emerging about the way forward, which takes various concerns into account. One such concern is how the move to area-based payments will impact on farmers with high payments under the current historical scheme. For example, the more intensive beef and dairy farmers are concerned about that. However, it is inevitable that their rates per hectare will come down. By definition, below average rates will rise and above average rates will fall, but there are tools that we can use to mitigate the impact and, we hope, manage the transition.
In doing that, we must be aware of the impact on farmers who have been excluded from the single farm payment until now, such as new entrants and deer farmers. They must be put on a level playing field as quickly as possible, even if we give other farmers more time to adapt. Of course, we must also keep our eyes open for loopholes. We know that people like loopholes in agricultural legislation, and undoubtedly some people are already thinking that if they have an empty hillside with some deer on it, they can qualify for big CAP payments. The answer to that, incidentally, is no. However, there is always a minority who will try to exploit the system and we need to be aware of that.
Speaking of exploiting the system, under the Scottish clause we must find minimum activity rules that keep slipper farmers out of the system while letting genuine extensive hill farmers in.
We must also look at the impact of the greening measures. Greening presents a great opportunity. I want every farmer in this country to be getting greener over time. Consumers are paying increasing attention to how their food is produced, and Scotland has a great reputation for green and natural food that we can exploit in valuable overseas markets as well as at home. That means that we must be genuinely green. Scotland is not the worst in the class. For example, we do not have the extreme arable monocultures that the three-crop rule is aimed at tackling; other European countries have that. However, at the same time, we must be aware that we have competitors who want to be seen as green and they are catching up with Scotland.
Even in Scotland, we must accept that we face some genuine environmental challenges. Our index of farmland birds has gone down in each of the last three years of data. On water quality, only 60 per cent of our bodies of water are in good condition, which is below the long-term target of 98 per cent, and that has not improved in the past four years. There are many wins to be secured if we get things right. We must address our genuine environmental challenges. In doing so, we can stay ahead of our competitors and ensure that our fantastic natural products succeed in tomorrow’s markets.
To deliver those wins, we have to take many of the important decisions that lie ahead of us. Unfortunately, those decisions will be all the more difficult because of the budget that has been negotiated by the UK Government. In the new CAP, Scotland will probably have lower rates per hectare in both pillars than every other member state in Europe. That is even worse than what we get today. If Scotland had been a member state, we would automatically have got an uplift to €196 per hectare in pillar 1. As I have said before, that would bring in an extra €1 billion up to 2020. We could also have negotiated an uplift in pillar 2, in the same way as 16 other member states have done. Finland got a €600 million uplift, Portugal got €500 million, Slovenia got €150 million, Lithuania got an extra €100 million, and so on. However, the UK Government took the decision not to press Scotland’s case.
If the UK Government was not willing to get us a decent deal from Europe, the least that it could have delivered was a fair division of the funding within the UK. We urgently need agreement on that.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-07892, in the name of Richard Lochhead, on the common agricultural policy.
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
The debate on the common agricultural policy for 2014 to 2020 provides an opportunity for the Government to update Parliament on the state of play in the Eur...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Has the cabinet secretary approached the UK Government to discuss the possibility of calculating the 8 per cent on the UK’s share rather than just the Scotti...
Richard Lochhead
SNP
Yes we have, and I will talk about that now because this is a key area for Scotland.Unfortunately, our negotiator, Owen Paterson, did not want any coupled su...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
We have heard a lot about the UK Government not batting for Scotland. As I recall, the cabinet secretary was demanding an increase in the budget at the same ...
Richard Lochhead
SNP
I am sure that the member is aware that only 38 per cent of the Europe budget is for CAP. That is one area in which Scotland gets an extremely raw deal. We d...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
This is an opportune time to have a CAP debate, and we should not miss the opportunity to discuss the key issues. I welcome the cabinet secretary’s press rel...
Richard Lochhead
SNP
The figures that Claire Baker has read out illustrate why we have to move from the historical basis for payments to a new basis for payments. That is why we ...
Claire Baker
Lab
I accept that that is the formula that is used, but the story behind it is much more complex. It is not just about providing a fairer formula throughout the ...
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
I hope that Claire Baker acknowledges that, if we were an independent member state in our own right, we would have benefited from the new formula in terms of...
Claire Baker
Lab
That is not the situation that we face. The SNP proposes that we go into the EU as a new member state and there are concerns about the negotiations that woul...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
This is a debate on which I wish it were possible for the Parliament to speak with one voice. We have often managed to do so on this topic in the past, but I...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD)
LD
I draw members’ attention to my declaration of interests.I spent last Saturday—as many of us do at this time of the year—at my local mart, in Lerwick. I hear...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
We turn to the open debate. Can I have speeches of six minutes, please?15:11
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
There have been some suggestions that we would be better not having a fragmented approach, but the motion and the amendments show that the fragmentation come...
Alex Fergusson
Con
Will Rob Gibson take a brief intervention?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I have hardly started, but I will.
Alex Fergusson
Con
It is better to take interventions early.If what Mr Gibson said about the budget deal is the case, why did the cabinet secretary describe the deal that came ...
Rob Gibson
SNP
The cabinet secretary was talking about the bits that we got into the deal in relation to dealing with active farming, the Scottish clause and so on—that is ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
President Dwight Eisenhower famously said:“Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you’re a thousand miles from the corn field.”It is of co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call Angus MacDonald, to be followed by Graeme Dey. We have a small amount of time in hand for interventions.15:23
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP)
SNP
As we have heard from the cabinet secretary, the long-drawn-out saga of CAP reform is finally reaching a close, with a vote in the European Parliament in mid...
Claire Baker
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Sorry. I have a lot to get into my six minutes.Ireland gets €70 per hectare, Finland gets €138 and the Czech Republic gets €83.With friends like the UK Gover...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
There is a bit of extra time for members who want to take interventions.15:29
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP)
SNP
I begin my speech by focusing on pillar 2 and how, from a greatly reduced funding pot, it will be made to work to deliver for rural Scotland. By rural Scotla...
David Stewart
Lab
I strongly support the point that the member is making about rural development, but does he share my view that a maximum modulation of 15 per cent from pilla...
Graeme Dey
SNP
I think that there is a balance to be struck in that regard.Within that figure will be people who commute to towns and cities to earn their living but, given...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
It does not seem so long ago that we were gathered here to discuss the common agricultural policy reform proposals, but it has in fact been more than six mon...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
SNP
I will start by looking at the Scottish Government’s objectives in the CAP process. As the cabinet secretary has already alluded to, those are to continue to...