Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 18 June 2013
18 Jun 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Hydro Power
I am pleased to take part in the debate. Hydro power provides energy and jobs to many rural communities, and it can also play a significant part in Scotland meeting its future climate change targets.
I attended the recent dinner at the Scottish Renewables hydro conference to celebrate the 70th anniversary of hydro power in Scotland, which the minister talked about. That was a great way of recognising the contribution of hydro and how it has developed, as well as providing a forum for discussion of the future challenges.
As other members have said, Tom Johnston was a visionary. The establishment of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board revolutionised the Highlands by using the power of nature to generate power and bring the modern world to parts of Scotland that it had not reached. It was an early renewables sector and the technology was recognised for its importance, but the significance of its future contribution to addressing climate change and to sustainable energy were not imagined.
At the conference in May, it was fascinating to hear about the early pioneers when, on the same day, it was announced that work on the Glasa hydro scheme is to begin later this year. That will be the largest hydro scheme to be built in the UK in the past five years.
The minister mentioned pumped storage and the need for clarity on future UK Government policy, which is important. In the move to a low-carbon economy, pumped storage has a crucial role to play. It is the only commercial-scale technology that can store electricity in large quantities, and we know that that process is key to a balanced energy policy with sufficient base-load.
It is only when we go back to the early years of hydro and consider that only one in every 100 crofts had electricity at the time of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board’s inception that we can fully understand the size of the task that the new body had to undertake. Now, with more than half Scotland’s 145 hydroelectric schemes located in the Highlands and Islands, we can see how successful hydro power has been for the area.
Agriculture is often at the centre of the rural economy, but the right training and investment mean that renewables can bring significant numbers of jobs to those areas, which strengthen links with locals and keep young families and workers from moving away to find employment. In discussions about the importance of hydro to rural economies at the recent conference, the point was highlighted that such schemes often offer more sustainable, longer-term employment from the construction of infrastructure through to maintenance and operations than other energy projects might. The employment numbers might seem small if we consider them in an urban setting, but they can often contribute significantly to the viability of rural communities.
Total hydro generation capacity in Scotland is about 1,500MW. Although hydro’s once rapid growth has slowed, new major development opportunities are in hand, and scope has been identified for thousands of smaller schemes. At one point, hydro power was the main contributor in Scotland’s drive for renewable energy and, although it has since been overtaken by wind power, it still produces about 12 per cent of Scotland’s electricity. We need to ensure that a package of renewables options is available across Scotland, to build on our strengths and opportunities. Despite the recent announcement that Scotland has, for the second year, missed its annual emissions target, we can recognise the role of hydro in a low-carbon future.
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change will update members next week on the redraft of the second report on proposals and policies. When the draft report was published earlier this year, it attracted some criticism for its overreliance on proposals and for not containing enough policies. However, if a significant redraft of RPP2 is to be achieved, the minister will have to do that with the help of his colleagues from other portfolio areas, including the Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism. With that in mind, it would be interesting if, in his closing remarks, the minister could give his views on the redrafting process for RPP2 and on how he believes that hydro power complements other forms of renewable energy in ensuring that the Government can meet future targets.
There should be further investigation into the viability of potential schemes and their benefits in helping us to achieve future targets. Despite the rise of wind energy, the chance to truly radicalise our energy market and promote community ownership has largely been missed. Many people in the renewables sector who work in Scandinavian countries, where community ownership is expected, say that the key to expansion in Scotland concerns greater capacity and expert support to communities in order for them to be involved in the process and to see that as a possibility for them.
My colleague Ken Macintosh spoke of community ownership. The land reform review group will look at community ownership in relation to renewables in particular and its clear potential as a vehicle for tackling inequality and delivering sustainable growth.
We can lift the barriers that stand in the way of communities that wish to develop renewables.
I attended the recent dinner at the Scottish Renewables hydro conference to celebrate the 70th anniversary of hydro power in Scotland, which the minister talked about. That was a great way of recognising the contribution of hydro and how it has developed, as well as providing a forum for discussion of the future challenges.
As other members have said, Tom Johnston was a visionary. The establishment of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board revolutionised the Highlands by using the power of nature to generate power and bring the modern world to parts of Scotland that it had not reached. It was an early renewables sector and the technology was recognised for its importance, but the significance of its future contribution to addressing climate change and to sustainable energy were not imagined.
At the conference in May, it was fascinating to hear about the early pioneers when, on the same day, it was announced that work on the Glasa hydro scheme is to begin later this year. That will be the largest hydro scheme to be built in the UK in the past five years.
The minister mentioned pumped storage and the need for clarity on future UK Government policy, which is important. In the move to a low-carbon economy, pumped storage has a crucial role to play. It is the only commercial-scale technology that can store electricity in large quantities, and we know that that process is key to a balanced energy policy with sufficient base-load.
It is only when we go back to the early years of hydro and consider that only one in every 100 crofts had electricity at the time of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board’s inception that we can fully understand the size of the task that the new body had to undertake. Now, with more than half Scotland’s 145 hydroelectric schemes located in the Highlands and Islands, we can see how successful hydro power has been for the area.
Agriculture is often at the centre of the rural economy, but the right training and investment mean that renewables can bring significant numbers of jobs to those areas, which strengthen links with locals and keep young families and workers from moving away to find employment. In discussions about the importance of hydro to rural economies at the recent conference, the point was highlighted that such schemes often offer more sustainable, longer-term employment from the construction of infrastructure through to maintenance and operations than other energy projects might. The employment numbers might seem small if we consider them in an urban setting, but they can often contribute significantly to the viability of rural communities.
Total hydro generation capacity in Scotland is about 1,500MW. Although hydro’s once rapid growth has slowed, new major development opportunities are in hand, and scope has been identified for thousands of smaller schemes. At one point, hydro power was the main contributor in Scotland’s drive for renewable energy and, although it has since been overtaken by wind power, it still produces about 12 per cent of Scotland’s electricity. We need to ensure that a package of renewables options is available across Scotland, to build on our strengths and opportunities. Despite the recent announcement that Scotland has, for the second year, missed its annual emissions target, we can recognise the role of hydro in a low-carbon future.
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change will update members next week on the redraft of the second report on proposals and policies. When the draft report was published earlier this year, it attracted some criticism for its overreliance on proposals and for not containing enough policies. However, if a significant redraft of RPP2 is to be achieved, the minister will have to do that with the help of his colleagues from other portfolio areas, including the Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism. With that in mind, it would be interesting if, in his closing remarks, the minister could give his views on the redrafting process for RPP2 and on how he believes that hydro power complements other forms of renewable energy in ensuring that the Government can meet future targets.
There should be further investigation into the viability of potential schemes and their benefits in helping us to achieve future targets. Despite the rise of wind energy, the chance to truly radicalise our energy market and promote community ownership has largely been missed. Many people in the renewables sector who work in Scandinavian countries, where community ownership is expected, say that the key to expansion in Scotland concerns greater capacity and expert support to communities in order for them to be involved in the process and to see that as a possibility for them.
My colleague Ken Macintosh spoke of community ownership. The land reform review group will look at community ownership in relation to renewables in particular and its clear potential as a vehicle for tackling inequality and delivering sustainable growth.
We can lift the barriers that stand in the way of communities that wish to develop renewables.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-07024, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on hydro power in Scotland.You have a generous 14 minutes, minister.1...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will revert from fortissimo to pianoforte in my tone.I very much welcome the opportunity to discuss the development of hydro ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I fully support the expansion of hydro schemes. Hydro is a wonderful industrial success. Will the minister ensure that it is also an environmental success, i...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I agree that environmental issues are important and must be more seriously taken into account.Mary Scanlon has somewhat spoiled my peroration, such as it was...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I call Ken Macintosh, who has a very generous 11 minutes.14:29
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
Including the minister’s four unused minutes, Presiding Officer?I suspect that many members feel, as I do, a sense of pride and achievement in Scotland’s hyd...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I call Mary Scanlon, who has a generous seven minutes.14:40
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
We are delighted to contribute to this debate on hydro power in Scotland in recognition of the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Hydro-Electric Deve...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Hear, hear.
Mary Scanlon
Con
I thank Richard Lyle for his comments. He was very supportive in my recent members’ business debate on the subject.For all that—and all that—two contractors ...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
Hydro power is perhaps the least contentious of our renewables technologies, and the lack of amendments to the motion might be evidence of that. However, tha...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Does Mr MacKenzie remember those days?
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
I am grateful to Mr Fraser for introducing a note of humour into the debate.It is hard now to relate to those concerns of more than a century ago, and it is ...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I have to say that until now I have enjoyed the history lesson that has been part of the debate.It is right that we celebrate all that has been achieved in g...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Does the member accept that it is the UK Government’s failure to upgrade our grid quickly enough that is limiting our ability to decarbonise the energy suppl...
Margaret McDougall
Lab
No. I will not turn around and blame the UK Government; there are things that we can do in Scotland.Supplying 100 per cent of Scotland’s energy from renewabl...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I agree with much of what the member has said. She said that she would like the Scottish Government to do more to strengthen the grid. Given that there are p...
Margaret McDougall
Lab
Perhaps I can explain that as I go on.I fully appreciate that the Scottish Government is not solely responsible for the implementation of new hydro power sta...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
Tom Johnston brought about his hydro power revolution as a result of the particular conditions of total war, when landlord opposition could be waved aside in...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to take part in the debate. Hydro power provides energy and jobs to many rural communities, and it can also play a significant part in Scotland ...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I entirely agree that we want to do everything practical and sensible that we can to encourage communities to develop their own schemes and, when possible, t...
Claire Baker
Lab
Those are welcome comments from the minister.When I speak to people in the sector, the feeling seems to be that there is quite a gap between a community that...
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
This is a timely debate that examines the past, present and future of one of Scotland’s most valuable assets—a source of renewable energy that can help to co...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
As Margaret McDougall rightly said, we have already had a historical tour de force. I particularly commend Rob Gibson’s speech, in that respect.On the 70th a...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
As the member for Orkney, surely Mr McArthur is frustrated with the UK Government for not getting on and putting in place the interconnector to Orkney so tha...
Liam McArthur
LD
I certainly share the frustrations of those who are looking to get on and deliver renewables, not just in Orkney but in the other island groups, but I do not...
Stuart McMillan
SNP
Will Liam McArthur give way?
Liam McArthur
LD
I will make some progress, but will come back to Mr McMillan, if I can.There seems to be a case for looking again at how degression will apply in relation to...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Water is important to us. That is a self-evident truth, not least because each and every one of us is made up of about 80 per cent water. Without water, ther...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
Mr Stevenson, will you begin to conclude, please?