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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 09 February 2011

09 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 3
Purvis, Jeremy LD Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV
Yesterday, I spoke to a major employer in my constituency where there are major concerns about the future of a number of jobs. The company has a heritage that goes back well over a century in Galashiels and—the Borders being the Borders—I know some of the staff who work there very well. It is a profoundly important company for the local economy and it works in a global marketplace in which decisions around the world have an impact locally. That is the back-cloth to my thoughts this week as we come to the final stage of the bill.

The ramifications of the turmoil of the financial crisis, in which Scottish institutions were as implicated as any others, will be with us well into the future. That is why we on the Liberal Democrat benches take the view that the Scottish Government’s budget must do more for the Scottish economy and that its agencies must deliver more and do so better. In that regard, our stance at stage 1 was endorsed by the Parliament’s Finance Committee.

At stage 1, we had the inevitable sparring over the scale of the reductions in the Scottish budget. The SNP takes the view that the reductions are too fast and too deep. I fully understand why it thinks that, but it has never been straight with people and said what the reductions would be if they were not too fast or too deep. The First Minister had an opportunity to do so last week with the Deputy Prime Minister, but he did not take it. However, we now know from the cabinet secretary’s speech, which has provided welcome clarity, that the budget that we are debating at stage 3 has £41 million more for next year than when it was originally published, with £25 million of that for colleges and young people and £16 million for new housing. Any objective analysis would say that that is fair. I welcome the fact that the Government has listened to the views of others in the Parliament—or most of them.

There is a degree of denial from the SNP but, similarly, Labour now seeks to give the impression that there would be no reductions in Scottish spending, even though the UK coalition is reducing the growth in spending over the next five years, whereas Labour proposed to do so over the next seven years. Ed Miliband said some interesting things in his Fabian Society speech on 15 January. It sounds as though Mr Kerr and Scottish Labour were not listening, so let me help them out and remind them what Mr Miliband said. He said:

“Parties don’t suffer defeats like the one we suffered last May because of an accumulation of small errors.

They do so by making serious mistakes, and that’s why I have said what I have said on issues like Iraq, failing to properly regulate the banks, ignoring concerns about economic security and not doing enough to deliver on the promise of a new politics.”

That was Ed Miliband talking about the Labour Party, and it was in stark contrast to Mr Kerr’s comments. Iraq, failing to secure regulation of the banks, ignoring concerns about economic security—those were full measures for which we are now getting a half-hearted apology from the Labour Opposition benches.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7899, in the name of John Swinney, on the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill. I advise members that time is pr...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP
Parliament approved the general principles of the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill in last month’s stage 1 debate. Since then, I have continued to hold extensiv...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order. I am sorry, but since the cabinet secretary began speaking, I have heard an almost non-stop running commentary from some members on my right, particul...
John Swinney SNP
I have set out today a package of measures that I believe responds effectively to the issues that have been raised with me since the draft budget was publish...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab
Of course, a Government’s budget is not only a list of spending commitments such as the one that we have just heard. Cumulatively, over the years, line by li...
The Presiding Officer NPA
One moment, Mr Kerr. You have made your point. The cabinet secretary was heard in relative silence and I ask that Mr Kerr receive the same treatment.
Andy Kerr Lab
I have met Mr Swinney and his colleagues on many occasions in the past few weeks to discuss matters that are dear to our hearts. While we have been having th...
John Swinney SNP
Does Mr Kerr acknowledge that unemployment in Scotland is falling, while unemployment in the rest of the United Kingdom is rising, and that the measures that...
Andy Kerr Lab
Mr Swinney offers box ticking on arrangements around parties. He offers half measures while Labour offers full measures. The SNP Government has been saved by...
John Swinney SNP
Will Mr Kerr share with Parliament which of the proposals that I have announced this afternoon he does not support?
Andy Kerr Lab
We do not want half measures. Labour offers full measures and we will ensure that we deliver those in government. The budget has moved 0.1 per cent. Let us r...
Alasdair Allan (Western Isles) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Andy Kerr Lab
In a second, when the member might answer my next point.We have been nothing but consistent in our view of this Government’s investment in infrastructure. It...
Alasdair Allan SNP
Does the fact that the member has been unable to identify which of the cabinet secretary’s measures he disagrees with explain why he failed to lodge any amen...
Andy Kerr Lab
From my eight years in government, I recall that the SNP lodged only one amendment to the budget. I also recall that in the negotiations around the SNP Gover...
Derek Brownlee (South of Scotland) (Con) Con
Mr Kerr was right in one respect: that was certainly a vision, although perhaps not quite the vision that he wants to portray to the Scottish people.The budg...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Derek Brownlee Con
It is obvious that the art of co-operation learned by the Liberal Democrats in supporting and working with us at Westminster has rubbed off at Holyrood, and ...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) LD
Yesterday, I spoke to a major employer in my constituency where there are major concerns about the future of a number of jobs. The company has a heritage tha...
Derek Brownlee Con
I think the member forgot to say that they also wrecked the public finances.
Jeremy Purvis LD
Well, indeed, but I had not finished quoting Mr Miliband’s Fabian Society speech. If Labour—
Andy Kerr Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jeremy Purvis LD
I will in a moment, because I am sure that Mr Kerr will wish to reply to Mr Miliband, so I will give him the opportunity to do so.If Mr Kerr’s vision has bee...
Andy Kerr Lab
I refer the member to my earlier speech. We stand for the progressive majority in Scotland, but on the point—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Andy Kerr Lab
What would he say to his UK coalition partners—the Lib Dems have made the biggest mistake in UK politics for a long time—about regulation? They advocated to ...
Jeremy Purvis LD
If Mr Miliband’s statement was a flip, that was definitely a flop, Mr Kerr.When Scotland’s Colleges made a public statement that it was concerned that the re...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order. There is still too much background noise on a continual basis from members right across the chamber. Let us hear one speech at a time.
Jeremy Purvis LD
It is not just a political gain for the Liberal Democrats or any other political party; it is a gain for students, such as the students at Borders College wh...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?