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Meeting of the Parliament 19 September 2013

19 Sep 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Economy
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV
We have heard that suggestion from the Office for Budget Responsibility and the UK Government, which gave clear indications during the spending round at the end of June. We know what the spending figures will be until the end of 2015-16, and the OBR and the UK Government have made it clear that there will be two further years of reductions in public expenditure as a consequence of the UK Government’s approach.

The Scottish Government has a range of different measures to support employment. The 25,000 modern apprenticeships programme has been extended into 2015-16 as a consequence of the budget. We reaffirmed our support for the small business bonus scheme in the budget. Various relief schemes that are worth more than £560 million per year support the reduction or removal of business rates under the small business bonus scheme for approximately 89,000 businesses in Scotland. The FSB made the interesting observation that the small business bonus scheme has given thousands of Scottish businesses a real shot in the arm during an incredibly difficult period, and we are glad to have assisted business in that way.

The Government is also taking forward a range of opportunities to support innovation, the roll-out of digital technology and the improvement of opportunities for companies to internationalise their business activity. On Monday, a very significant renewable energy investment opportunity was taken forward with the consenting of the MeyGen proposal for the Pentland Firth that Mr Ewing announced.

Those are all illustrations of how the Government is doing all that it can to support and accelerate the recovery in Scotland. Those actions provide very strong foundations for the debate on Scotland’s future, which of course is now beginning to create unity around some central points.

A point on which I think everybody across the spectrum is agreed is that Scotland is a wealthy and productive country that can afford to be independent. No serious contributor to the independence debate disputes the fiscal commission working group’s finding that

“Scotland has the potential to be a successful independent country”.

When compared to the 34 countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, our GDP per head in Scotland would be the eighth highest—it would be 18 per cent higher than that of the UK. Even without oil, we match the UK in productivity terms, so we know that we more than pay our way. Before adding oil, we know that the taxes that we generate per head are close to the UK average. Including a geographic share of oil, we have paid more tax per head in each of the past 32 years than the rest of the United Kingdom. Even in the depths of the recession, that trend has continued, with Scotland being in a relatively stronger fiscal position than the UK over the past five years.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-07734, in the name of John Swinney, on Scotland’s economy.
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP
It is now five years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and the United Kingdom, along with much of Europe, tipped into recession. No one should underestimate ju...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
I am glad to see that the cabinet secretary made it back from Culloden. The cabinet secretary has made a lot of play of the difference between the economic s...
John Swinney SNP
The outcomes are not the same. As I just said to Parliament, Scotland’s GDP grew by 1.2 per cent in the four quarters to quarter 1 in 2013, while UK growth w...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
I ask the minister—urge him, even—to let Mr Rennie explain why not.
John Swinney SNP
Mr Rennie has made his contribution and I am sure that we will hear from him later.Willie Rennie rose—
John Swinney SNP
Let us have another intervention from him now.
Willie Rennie LD
How does Mr Swinney explain last month’s rise in unemployment? How does that tie in with his improvement in Scotland?
John Swinney SNP
Month-by-month factors clearly affect the employment rate, which is why the Office for National Statistics suggests that it is valuable to compare annual sta...
Margo MacDonald Ind
Will the minister give way?
John Swinney SNP
I will give way one more time.
Margo MacDonald Ind
Does Mr Swinney expect that, after the election, the incoming Westminster Government will cut a bit more?
John Swinney SNP
We have heard that suggestion from the Office for Budget Responsibility and the UK Government, which gave clear indications during the spending round at the ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
Given the figures that the cabinet secretary has and those that he has published, does he think that we will be in a stronger position over the next five years?
John Swinney SNP
The debate around that point was reflected in the various scenarios in this morning’s report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. The analysis that the IFS...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
Is control of interest rates one of the levers that Mr Swinney is talking about?
John Swinney SNP
As Mr Macintosh well knows, no country that Scotland would compare itself to as a developed western European economy has interest rates that are under politi...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I now call Iain Gray to speak to and move amendment S4M-07734.1. Mr Gray, you have 10 minutes.14:45
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer.What could be more timely than a debate on the economy? After all, a recent opinion poll told us that the majority of Scots thin...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Given that glowing list of attributes that we enjoy in the current climate, what on earth has been going wrong all these years—even before the recession—with...
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Harvie’s question is really a question about political will. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Iain Gray Lab
If Mr Harvie looks at the poverty statistics, he will see that the gap reduced between 1997 and 2007 but has now stopped reducing. It is political will that ...
Margo MacDonald Ind
I take everything that the member said about Slovakia and the Czech Republic, but has he checked on the position now?
Iain Gray Lab
I certainly checked on the facts that I have just given. Those are the things that happened when those countries separated.Even renewable energy—the SNP’s pa...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Iain Gray Lab
I even believe in our capacity to listen to other people’s ideas. I believe that we are good enough and smart enough and should be determined enough to seize...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Iain Gray Lab
I am sorry; I think that I have taken enough.We have the best of both worlds, and our obligation is to make the most of it. That is what the Scottish people ...
Fergus Ewing SNP
Will the member give way?