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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2013

25 Jun 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Specialist Heart Failure Nurse Services
I, too, congratulate Dave Thompson on securing a debate on this important subject and bringing it to the chamber. I also thank the organisations, particularly the British Heart Foundation.

Last week, I congratulated NHS Grampian on its work with specialist Parkinson’s nurses, but the story this week is not so good for NHS Grampian. Nanette Milne referred to nursing numbers in Aberdeen. To put that figure into context, we have three specialist heart failure nurses in the Aberdeenshire Council area, two in Aberdeen City and 0.2 full-time equivalents in Moray—there is none at all in Orkney. That amounts to about six specialist nurses; in reality, there are 3.24 full-time equivalents, two short of what is needed in the Grampian area.

It is important to distinguish the difference between specialist nurses that deal with heart failure and those who deal with cardiac rehabilitation—I asked the minister about that the other week—because they are not the same. We need to identify the value of specialist nurses; their work for people with heart failure is undoubtedly immeasurable.

We have heard from Dave Thompson the testimony of people at the cross-party group on heart disease and stroke. An answer to a parliamentary question included a breakdown of the number of specialist nurses from NHS Grampian, which is why we have the numbers. The health board acknowledged that, were it to remove the heart failure nurses, it would see a rise in acute admissions. That would cause anxiety not only to patients but to their families. I urge NHS Grampian, which is carrying out a review of all its cardiac services that will report in August 2013, to consider the importance of those nurses.

Nanette Milne said that the funding is coming to an end. It comes to an end in March 2014 but, because of the nurses’ contractual agreements, they may be redeployed as early as September or October. There is undoubtedly a crisis in NHS Grampian that needs acute remedy. We need more specialist nurses. We realise that funding is difficult across all health boards. Jackie Baillie and Dave Thompson mentioned the monetary aspect, which needs to be borne in mind, but, beyond that, the issue is about the service that is provided for the patients and their families.

Nanette Milne said that treatments are not always face to face or in hospitals or their satellites, but over the phone. We can use technology, including telecare services. For example, we could sometimes use telemedicine in Orkney, as we do in other areas. We must be cleverer in remote and rural areas. I suggest to all health boards that they use the available facilities and technology to provide a heart failure service to our patients and carers.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-06245, in the name of Dave Thompson, on review of specialist heart failure nurse servi...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
The motion was stimulated by a discussion at the cross-party group on heart disease and stroke, of which I am a vice-convener, in March. At that meeting, we ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I pay tribute to Dave Thompson for securing this debate and I commend the British Heart Foundation, the Scottish heart failure nurse forum and Chest Heart & ...
Dave Thompson SNP
It has just occurred to me that it was remiss of me not to mention that NHS Highland in my area is one of the four health boards that are meeting the target.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Better late than never.
Jackie Baillie Lab
That is truly wonderful. We are nothing if not parochial.We have established that heart failure is rising, we agree that we need to try to ensure that servic...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased that Dave Thompson has drawn our attention to the recent “Review of Specialist Heart Failure Nurse Services” and that he has secured the require...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Dave Thompson on securing a debate on this important subject and bringing it to the chamber. I also thank the organisations, particularl...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I, too, congratulate Dave Thompson on his motion and on securing the debate. I also add my thanks to Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland, to the British Heart Foun...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I congratulate Dave Thompson on securing time for this important debate on what remains a clinical priority for NHS Scotland.I am sure that all members recog...
Dennis Robertson SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
Will the minister take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
I will give way to Mr McArthur.
Liam McArthur LD
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. I appreciate what he said in relation to ratios but, as he will have heard, there is no ratio at all in the cas...
Michael Matheson SNP
I am going to come to Orkney in a minute, when I hope that I can address that point.I am more than happy to give way to Mr Robertson, too.
Dennis Robertson SNP
I thank the minister for giving way. With regard to the ratios, does the minister share my concern that in Aberdeen there is only one specialist nurse with a...
Michael Matheson SNP
I will turn to those points on Orkney and Grampian after making a little progress on the wider issue.It is important to recognise that some progress has been...