Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2013
15 May 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill
I will try my best, Presiding Officer.
I thank all members for their contributions to today’s debate. One thing that I did not mention earlier but which I would like to mention is that I came to the post late in the pre-legislative stage of the bill, and I thank Stewart Stevenson for all his early work in his ministerial capacity. The road that we have travelled since then has not been without its challenges. There have been occasions on which the debate has been less constructive, as the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee noted in its stage 1 report.
The bill provides us with the legislative tools to ensure that farmed and wild fisheries and their interactions with each other continue to be managed effectively, maximising their combined contribution to supporting economic growth but, crucially, with due regard to the wider marine environment. The bill also provides a foundation on which to move forward and better manage our relationships and build trust.
The refreshed ministerial group on sustainable aquaculture has engaged the minds of our stakeholders, and there is a tide of optimism that proactive activity will take place over the coming months and years. Members of the MGSA helped to inform many of the provisions that we have debated in the past few months. The group met for the first time a couple of weeks ago, as I said earlier, and everyone is keen to look forward and not back. They recognise the need to address any negative perceptions that may have emerged, and there is also genuine acceptance that the debate has often excluded the many positive activities that take place. It is important that we do not lose sight of the many good examples of local engagement that already exist.
Improved governance arrangements for our fisheries boards and enhanced salmon management through the bill, coupled with the planned fisheries management review, will bring many opportunities. I encourage all our stakeholders to reflect on how they might better promote those and other positive examples of their work. As I speak here today, I am confident in saying that the bill is proportionate and strikes the right balance.
Time forbids me from saying too much, but I would like to turn to a few points that were made in the debate. Important points were made on carcass tagging by both Angus MacDonald and Alex Fergusson, who sought clarity about the timescales that are involved. The consultation will run for the standard 12-week period, and we will look to run it in parallel with the notification to the EU. The EU approval timetable is for the EU to determine, of course. It can be up to 18 months, but only if the EU has issues with what is proposed. I hope that it will be faster than that.
Rob Gibson made an important point about the potential for GM feed to get into the food chain. The Government intends to bring forward a debate as soon as possible after the summer recess to assess food authenticity and food labelling in recognition of the issue that the member has raised. I welcome his support for the management review that we propose as phase 2 of this important development of the wild fisheries and aquaculture sector.
Jamie McGrigor asked what evidence we have to demonstrate why transparency is a risk. I recognise that the point that Graeme Dey made is open to challenge from others because more than one factor is involved, but it indicated that publication of sea lice data damaged the Irish aquaculture sector. However, I will certainly look more closely at that.
On the measures that we have discussed today, I recognise that some people have reservations about the approach that we have taken to the voluntary reporting of data. Those reservations were evident in the earlier debate. However, I sincerely believe that encouraging the voluntary sharing of information—not just in the context of sea lice—along with appropriate explanatory text, is the right way forward. To repeat what I said previously, we will not seek to legislate where we do not need to, and I believe that this is an example of that. It is clearly for others to demonstrate that the Government’s support for voluntary measures has been well placed—I think that we all know who I mean. Equally clear is our existing ability to progress through secondary legislation if the voluntary approach does not work as expected.
Claire Baker raised the issue of how we will test whether the approach has worked. The publication of data will show us that, because if there is a persistent pattern of sea lice infestations in fish farms across Scotland, we will know that the approach is not working to drive down the numbers. I will certainly keep her informed on what we are doing in that regard.
I was pleased to support the amendments that Jim Hume lodged in relation to training on equipment that is used in fish farming. I thank him for his willingness to engage on the drafting and for the opportunity to explore what might best deliver a result on which we could all agree.
I want to end the debate on a really positive note. Everyone here recognises the enormous benefits to Scotland and the people of Scotland of successful and thriving aquaculture and wild fisheries sectors that can develop. The improved governance arrangements for our fishery boards and enhanced salmon management through the bill, coupled with the planned fisheries management group, will bring many opportunities. I therefore encourage all stakeholders to reflect on how they might better promote those. Now is the time to look forward, to be positive and to begin to build relationships that allow us to prosper in future. We have a clear implementation plan. There is much to do and the bill provides the foundations for that. I ask the Parliament to agree that the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill be passed.
I thank all members for their contributions to today’s debate. One thing that I did not mention earlier but which I would like to mention is that I came to the post late in the pre-legislative stage of the bill, and I thank Stewart Stevenson for all his early work in his ministerial capacity. The road that we have travelled since then has not been without its challenges. There have been occasions on which the debate has been less constructive, as the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee noted in its stage 1 report.
The bill provides us with the legislative tools to ensure that farmed and wild fisheries and their interactions with each other continue to be managed effectively, maximising their combined contribution to supporting economic growth but, crucially, with due regard to the wider marine environment. The bill also provides a foundation on which to move forward and better manage our relationships and build trust.
The refreshed ministerial group on sustainable aquaculture has engaged the minds of our stakeholders, and there is a tide of optimism that proactive activity will take place over the coming months and years. Members of the MGSA helped to inform many of the provisions that we have debated in the past few months. The group met for the first time a couple of weeks ago, as I said earlier, and everyone is keen to look forward and not back. They recognise the need to address any negative perceptions that may have emerged, and there is also genuine acceptance that the debate has often excluded the many positive activities that take place. It is important that we do not lose sight of the many good examples of local engagement that already exist.
Improved governance arrangements for our fisheries boards and enhanced salmon management through the bill, coupled with the planned fisheries management review, will bring many opportunities. I encourage all our stakeholders to reflect on how they might better promote those and other positive examples of their work. As I speak here today, I am confident in saying that the bill is proportionate and strikes the right balance.
Time forbids me from saying too much, but I would like to turn to a few points that were made in the debate. Important points were made on carcass tagging by both Angus MacDonald and Alex Fergusson, who sought clarity about the timescales that are involved. The consultation will run for the standard 12-week period, and we will look to run it in parallel with the notification to the EU. The EU approval timetable is for the EU to determine, of course. It can be up to 18 months, but only if the EU has issues with what is proposed. I hope that it will be faster than that.
Rob Gibson made an important point about the potential for GM feed to get into the food chain. The Government intends to bring forward a debate as soon as possible after the summer recess to assess food authenticity and food labelling in recognition of the issue that the member has raised. I welcome his support for the management review that we propose as phase 2 of this important development of the wild fisheries and aquaculture sector.
Jamie McGrigor asked what evidence we have to demonstrate why transparency is a risk. I recognise that the point that Graeme Dey made is open to challenge from others because more than one factor is involved, but it indicated that publication of sea lice data damaged the Irish aquaculture sector. However, I will certainly look more closely at that.
On the measures that we have discussed today, I recognise that some people have reservations about the approach that we have taken to the voluntary reporting of data. Those reservations were evident in the earlier debate. However, I sincerely believe that encouraging the voluntary sharing of information—not just in the context of sea lice—along with appropriate explanatory text, is the right way forward. To repeat what I said previously, we will not seek to legislate where we do not need to, and I believe that this is an example of that. It is clearly for others to demonstrate that the Government’s support for voluntary measures has been well placed—I think that we all know who I mean. Equally clear is our existing ability to progress through secondary legislation if the voluntary approach does not work as expected.
Claire Baker raised the issue of how we will test whether the approach has worked. The publication of data will show us that, because if there is a persistent pattern of sea lice infestations in fish farms across Scotland, we will know that the approach is not working to drive down the numbers. I will certainly keep her informed on what we are doing in that regard.
I was pleased to support the amendments that Jim Hume lodged in relation to training on equipment that is used in fish farming. I thank him for his willingness to engage on the drafting and for the opportunity to explore what might best deliver a result on which we could all agree.
I want to end the debate on a really positive note. Everyone here recognises the enormous benefits to Scotland and the people of Scotland of successful and thriving aquaculture and wild fisheries sectors that can develop. The improved governance arrangements for our fishery boards and enhanced salmon management through the bill, coupled with the planned fisheries management group, will bring many opportunities. I therefore encourage all stakeholders to reflect on how they might better promote those. Now is the time to look forward, to be positive and to begin to build relationships that allow us to prosper in future. We have a clear implementation plan. There is much to do and the bill provides the foundations for that. I ask the Parliament to agree that the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill be passed.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-06544, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill. Before I invite ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
I had thought that more members would have hung about for the highlights.For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise Parliament that Her M...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I advise members that we are quite tight for time. I call Paul Wheelhouse to speak to and move the motion. Minister, you have nine minutes.16:34
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
I am pleased to open this stage 3 debate on the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill. At the outset, my thanks go to the Rural Affairs, Climate Change a...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
Surely not.
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
That is very kind of you, Mr Fergusson.I am sure that every member in the chamber will agree that Scotland is fortunate in having a thriving aquaculture indu...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I need you to bring your remarks to a close.
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I apologise, Presiding Officer.Effective monitoring and enforcement of marine and fishing laws is vital if we are to protect Scotland’s valuable marine areas...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Scottish Labour recognises the significance and importance of the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill, and of regulation and the wild fisheries review,...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I must ask you to bring your remarks to a close.
Claudia Beamish
Lab
I will do so, Presiding Officer. The building of good relationships is perhaps more important than anything else, and it is an absolute imperative for the fu...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
The passage of the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill has been a long and arduous process, and I begin my speech at stage 3 in the same way that I beg...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
We now move to a very short open debate. I am afraid that, in order to be able to call all members, I cannot give you any more than three minutes. If you cou...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP)
SNP
As a relatively new member of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I am pleased to have been able to take part in scrutiny of the bil...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You must bring your remarks to a close, please.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.We should never lose sight of the fact that whether we are talking about farmed or wild salmon, this is a good news story for Sc...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Lab
I have not been involved in the bill’s passage but, although I recognise the concerns that members have expressed, I want to use the very short time that I h...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
You must bring your remarks to a close, please.
Elaine Murray
Lab
Moreover, police now have powers of access to private land and can enforce that right in order to investigate the reports of possible illegal activity that I...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD)
LD
To claim that the bill’s progress through its committee stages was without controversy would be pushing it, to say the least. I believe that it marks the fir...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
No, you do not. You need to bring your remarks to a close as quickly as possible.
Jim Hume
LD
I am glad that we have produced a bill that provides for training requirements on equipment. In anticipation of the bill’s being passed at decision time, I c...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
I am the convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, which has had long oversight of the bill and welcomes its progress.I was pl...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, in relation to fisheries.There is widespread recognition of the importance of aquaculture ...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
The bill has been an attempt to address some of the issues surrounding wild fisheries and the aquaculture sector. Although the debate is an opportunity to re...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Paul Wheelhouse to wind up the debate. You have five minutes, minister.17:11
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I will try my best, Presiding Officer.I thank all members for their contributions to today’s debate. One thing that I did not mention earlier but which I wou...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I thank all members for their co-operation in what was a very short space of time.