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Meeting of the Parliament 07 May 2013

07 May 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Flood Insurance Problems
Watt, Maureen SNP Aberdeen South and North Kincardine Watch on SPTV
Thank you, Presiding Officer.

Although I am a substitute member of the Public Petitions Committee, I was not involved in hearing the evidence on the topic. However, I have been substituting in recent weeks, because although David Stewart is incapacitated, so too is my colleague, Adam Ingram. We wish them both a speedy recovery.

I welcome the fact that the petitioner, Professor Crichton, has brought his considerable knowledge on the subject to the committee in highlighting the problems that are faced. I suspect that members do not have to be on the committee to know about the problems, because many people go to MSPs’ surgeries with flood-related problems.

I welcome the Scottish Government’s positive work with DEFRA, the other devolved Administrations and the Association of British Insurers to make flood risk information more widely available, so that those who are at risk can have affordable insurance. Insurance is a necessity, but it is a pain not only to organise insurance but to read the small print and then hope that everything is covered. That is why it is important that agencies such as SEPA work with the insurance industry to make things better for our constituents.

I understand that data sharing has been an issue, and that the ABI does not have access to the Scottish flood defence asset database when setting premiums. That makes it much more difficult for insurers to take into account flood risk when setting premiums for people in Scotland. SEPA has been working with the local authorities. I was pleased to hear the minister say that all 32 local authorities have now responded to the requests.

The Scottish Government has been proactive on the issue of reducing flood risk. “The National Flood Risk Assessment”, which was published in December 2011, provides for the first time a national picture of flood risk across Scotland. That is a major milestone towards Scotland targeting efforts to plan and invest in reducing the impacts in those areas that are most vulnerable to flooding. The sum of £8 million has been invested in developing a state-of-the-art national flood warning dissemination service. In addition, a joint Scottish flood forecasting service between SEPA and the Met Office has been established.

I want to make the case for prevention to be at the top of the agenda. By that, I do not simply mean putting in place flood defence systems; such systems are often extremely expensive and, as Elaine Murray and Stop Climate Chaos Scotland highlighted, their infrastructures are extremely carbon intensive. Other forward planning by councils and SEPA is also needed.

I am pleased, for example, that SEPA has relaxed restrictions on deepening straight watercourses. However, landowners must be encouraged to clear and deepen ditches and burns much more and to allow land to be set aside for upstream flooding. I know from helping a constituent in Portlethen, who has been flooded twice in recent years, how difficult it is to ascertain who the landowner upstream is and to contact them and encourage them to act. I am not sure whether the powers of enforcement exist with local authorities or SEPA to force landowners to act. Furthermore, when a householder is encouraged—as my constituent was—to build their own flood defences around their property, there seems to be a lack of agreement among the agencies about what is required for, or will be acceptable to, insurance companies.

Surely, councils have an obligation not to allow residential or commercial development on flood plains. I for one am not convinced that it is sufficient for the builder to put in earth defences between a development and the watercourse. Such developments simply should not be allowed.

New developments can disturb the water table and normal watercourses. That is a problem for my constituents at Checkbar, and near where I live in Durris a new development has disturbed the watercourse, so that existing properties are more liable to flooding. It is disturbing that no one seems to want to take responsibility for alleviating such problems. I have had to hold meetings to get builders, SEPA and the council round the table and knock heads together to see how problems can be resolved. Meanwhile, people are living with flood risk.

I am not sure that developers and local authorities adequately take account of the disturbance of existing watercourses and the water table when they consider proposed new developments. Does the minister know of anything further that can be done in that regard?

I understand that people in the merchant quarter of Kevin Stewart’s Aberdeen Central constituency have had difficulties with insurers because of constant flooding in the locale. Kevin Stewart told me that many affected businesses have had to wait ages for payouts and face the prospect of not getting insurance at all unless Scottish Water and the council resolve the problem to the satisfaction of insurance companies.

As members said, for many small and medium-sized businesses one flood is a tragedy that might tip them over the edge; more than one flood is often far too much for a business to bear, particularly when insurance companies leave people in the lurch.

Although some householders who experience flooding do not have a good experience with their insurers, some insurers try to help as much as possible. We need consistency across the industry, and we need something in place that can replace the statement of principles.

I hope that the flood risk assessment maps and plans that are produced under the Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009 will provide information that enables the insurance industry to offer premiums that more accurately reflect the lower risk in Scotland. I hope that the information that is held on databases can be shared with the industry, so that individuals’ premiums more accurately reflect the risk.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-06455, in the name of Chic Brodie, on behalf of the Public Petitions Committee, on petition PE1441, which...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—and I noted your hesitation before you said “14 minutes”.I am pleased to open this debate on the motion in my name on behalf of ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call the Minister for Environment and Climate Change, Paul Wheelhouse, who has a minimum of 10 minutes for his speech. I remind members who wish to take pa...
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
The provision and affordability of flood insurance is vitally important to residents and businesses in flood risk areas. Insurance is essential for people to...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am intrigued that the minister said that he has been able to ensure that Scottish interests are represented. Are there particular Scottish interests that h...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Chic Brodie alluded to that point, which I will come to. There are some clear differences with regard to the risk faced by Scottish householders. The treatme...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
At what point will we be able to quantify the cost of the potential options for addressing the priorities in terms of those flood risk areas?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I assume—I hope that there will be a physical nod in my direction if I am right—that Sarah Boyack is referring to the potentially vulnerable areas and the co...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
The Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009 sets out for each potentially vulnerable area an indicative figure of the cost of the schemes. In practice, our...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Claire Baker, who has a very generous eight minutes.14:44
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I thank Professor David Crichton for submitting the petition on flood insurance, and the Public Petitions Committee for bringing the debate to the chamber.Th...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
On transitional arrangements, any solution that the industry proposes might take some years to have its full impact because of the nature of the model that m...
Claire Baker Lab
I thank the minister for that. I do not know what the intentions of the committee are, but it might be helpful if the minister could respond to the committee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. To Alex Johnstone I give a very generous seven minutes.14:54
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, thank you very much for your generosity. I will see what I can do.I very much welcome the fact that the Public Petitions Committee has dec...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. I call Nigel Don, who has a very generous six minutes. You can be loquacious, Mr Don.15:02
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am grateful for your generosity, and I am sure that my constituents—one of whom is Alex Johnstone—will be, too, because, sadl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Take as much time as you like.
Nigel Don SNP
That is a risky thing to say. Okay.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Within reason.
Nigel Don SNP
We talk about once in 75 years, once in 100 years and once in 200 years flood risks. I think that Chic Brodie mentioned once in 75 years flood risks. We will...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I will help to extend the speech a little bit longer.In Brechin, in which I know the member has an interest, in terms of a once in 200 years flood risk, the ...
Nigel Don SNP
We have gone from the numbers to the solutions, but I absolutely agree. That comes back to my basic point that we are never going to prevent floods; what we ...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
As a member of the Public Petitions Committee, I welcome this debate on Professor David Crichton’s petition, in which he calls on the Scottish Parliament to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Maureen Watt. You have a generous six minutes.15:19
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.Although I am a substitute member of the Public Petitions Committee, I was not involved in hearing the evidence on the topic. Ho...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Marco Biagi.15:27
Marco Biagi (Edinburgh Central) (SNP) SNP
Are you still being generous, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Pretty generous, yes. We will use up our time eventually, but at the moment you are fine.
Marco Biagi SNP
You could easily be mistaken for Father Christmas today.As many members said, two issues are at play. One is Professor Crichton’s direct call, in his petitio...