Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 05 June 2013
05 Jun 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform
I just do not have time—I really am sorry. You chose to have a short debate, so I cannot help you.
Furthermore, we are asked to recognise that
“the Scottish Government has the power to deliver further land reform now”,
presumably with the expectation that it should do so. Given that the Scottish Government has a majority in the Parliament, it could deliver free Mars bars to everybody daily if it wanted to do so, but I am sure that Labour would—rightly—be the first to object if the Government suddenly introduced land reform legislation halfway through a widespread consultation on radical land reform. The position simply does not make sense.
I will concentrate on three aspects of the interim report that are not mentioned in the motion. When I met Alison Elliot and Sarah Skerrat in the early days of the work, I said that I had three main concerns. The first was that the community right to buy should be proactively promoted across the south of Scotland, because the perception was that it was really a Highlands and Islands initiative. I am delighted to have been proved wrong on that by the on-going success of the Mull of Galloway Trust in my constituency, which the minister mentioned. It has recently received a grant of more than £300,000 towards the purchase of the most southerly point of Scotland. That said, I still think that there is a misconception about the community right to buy and that there is scope for many more such purchases across the south of Scotland.
The second concern that I highlighted, which is of much more concern from our perspective, is about the apparent willingness—keenness, even—to consider community purchase even when the land or property owner is not a willing participant. Apparently that willingness is shared by the land reform review group, the Labour Party, the SNP and others, I expect, but to the Conservatives it is simply a step too far. We cannot and will not accept such compulsion. Any project that results in community ownership—be it of land or a building—must be undertaken with mutual consent, because we genuinely believe that only with mutual consent can the real benefits of community ownership be achieved for all.
The final item that I put to the LRRG was my strong view, which I still hold, that the group should not be tempted to get involved in the agricultural landlord and tenancy debate, because—as I said in my intervention on Claire Baker—it is already being looked at in considerable depth by the tenant farming forum, which was making and continues to make slow but steady progress. I am delighted that the LRRG has seen the sense in that position and I commend it for not getting involved in that highly sensitive policy area, despite the pressure on it. Progress is being made, and that progress would not be helped in any way by the involvement of yet another outside group, which could only further complicate the issue.
We will not be able to support the motion at decision time. It implies that the LRRG has not delivered, and I do not understand how it could have been expected to deliver in what is, after all, just an interim report. I do not support all its findings, but I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
I move amendment S4M-06845.1, to leave out from second “Land Reform Review Group” to end and insert:
“independent group is looking at the future of land ownership and management in Scotland with a view to enabling communities to benefit from further land reform; understands that the report simply ends phase one of the process and that much work still remains to be done; agrees that, while community ownership is to be encouraged, a willing buyer and willing seller are paramount, and welcomes the group’s decision not to examine land tenancy issues, which are currently being scrutinised by the Tenant Farming Forum.”
Furthermore, we are asked to recognise that
“the Scottish Government has the power to deliver further land reform now”,
presumably with the expectation that it should do so. Given that the Scottish Government has a majority in the Parliament, it could deliver free Mars bars to everybody daily if it wanted to do so, but I am sure that Labour would—rightly—be the first to object if the Government suddenly introduced land reform legislation halfway through a widespread consultation on radical land reform. The position simply does not make sense.
I will concentrate on three aspects of the interim report that are not mentioned in the motion. When I met Alison Elliot and Sarah Skerrat in the early days of the work, I said that I had three main concerns. The first was that the community right to buy should be proactively promoted across the south of Scotland, because the perception was that it was really a Highlands and Islands initiative. I am delighted to have been proved wrong on that by the on-going success of the Mull of Galloway Trust in my constituency, which the minister mentioned. It has recently received a grant of more than £300,000 towards the purchase of the most southerly point of Scotland. That said, I still think that there is a misconception about the community right to buy and that there is scope for many more such purchases across the south of Scotland.
The second concern that I highlighted, which is of much more concern from our perspective, is about the apparent willingness—keenness, even—to consider community purchase even when the land or property owner is not a willing participant. Apparently that willingness is shared by the land reform review group, the Labour Party, the SNP and others, I expect, but to the Conservatives it is simply a step too far. We cannot and will not accept such compulsion. Any project that results in community ownership—be it of land or a building—must be undertaken with mutual consent, because we genuinely believe that only with mutual consent can the real benefits of community ownership be achieved for all.
The final item that I put to the LRRG was my strong view, which I still hold, that the group should not be tempted to get involved in the agricultural landlord and tenancy debate, because—as I said in my intervention on Claire Baker—it is already being looked at in considerable depth by the tenant farming forum, which was making and continues to make slow but steady progress. I am delighted that the LRRG has seen the sense in that position and I commend it for not getting involved in that highly sensitive policy area, despite the pressure on it. Progress is being made, and that progress would not be helped in any way by the involvement of yet another outside group, which could only further complicate the issue.
We will not be able to support the motion at decision time. It implies that the LRRG has not delivered, and I do not understand how it could have been expected to deliver in what is, after all, just an interim report. I do not support all its findings, but I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
I move amendment S4M-06845.1, to leave out from second “Land Reform Review Group” to end and insert:
“independent group is looking at the future of land ownership and management in Scotland with a view to enabling communities to benefit from further land reform; understands that the report simply ends phase one of the process and that much work still remains to be done; agrees that, while community ownership is to be encouraged, a willing buyer and willing seller are paramount, and welcomes the group’s decision not to examine land tenancy issues, which are currently being scrutinised by the Tenant Farming Forum.”
References in this contribution
Motions, questions or amendments mentioned by their reference code.
- S4M-06845.1 Land Reform Motion
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-06845, in the name of Claire Baker, on land reform.14:40
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to open this debate on land reform, which has been brought forward by Scottish Labour.Under devolution, a Labour-led Executive introduced the fi...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
I hope that our respective parties can stay united on the need for further land reform, as we will otherwise play into the hands of those who resist change. ...
Claire Baker
Lab
To be honest, I am disappointed by that intervention, because I thought that we agreed on the need for radical land reform. The member will know how difficul...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
Does the member accept that considerable work is going on, particularly through the tenant farming forum, to look at land tenancy issues? Does she accept tha...
Claire Baker
Lab
I do not accept that, and I will comment on the forum. Until the publication of the report last week, tenant farming was to be part of the review. However, t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
Will the member give way?
Claire Baker
Lab
I am sorry, but I am really pushed for time and I want to make a few further points.The review that the Scottish Government proposes looks pretty narrow: it ...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Claire Baker
Lab
I apologise, but I am really pushed for time in this short debate.The Government’s amendment highlights the group’s independence. However, although it is ind...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I inform members that we are tight for time and that the allocated speaking times must be adhered to.14:51
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
I am delighted to lead in the debate for the Scottish Government and I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss such an important subject. As Claire Baker ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
Does the minister agree that, although community ownership is important, a land reform agenda cannot be limited to community ownership?
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I will be happy to address that point later in my speech, and I certainly agree with Patrick Harvie that the land reform agenda should not be constrained.As ...
Claire Baker
Lab
I welcome the minister’s announcement of the group’s expanded membership. However, I note that it has agreed quite a narrow remit. Will there be a chance to ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
There is no change per se to the group’s remit, but the work that it carried out in phase 1 identified the areas that it feels it necessary to pursue in grea...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I call Alex Fergusson, who has five minutes.14:58
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
As it is often insinuated that we Conservatives are simply against land reform, I take this opportunity to say that nothing could be further from the truth. ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Fergusson
Con
I am afraid that I have only five minutes, so the minister will have to forgive me that cheap jibe.On a slightly more important note, the same Professor Jim ...
Claire Baker
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Fergusson
Con
I just do not have time—I really am sorry. You chose to have a short debate, so I cannot help you.Furthermore, we are asked to recognise that“the Scottish Go...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I remind all members that they must speak through the chair, please.15:03
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
In his chapter on the proper use of land in “Small Is Beautiful”, E F Schumacher says:“Among material resources, the greatest, unquestionably, is that land. ...
Claire Baker
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I have no time for interventions—I am sorry.The pace of land reform is quickening, not slackening, under the SNP Government. The tenant farming forum is unde...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
Four hundred and thirty-two people own half of Scotland. Nowhere else in the European Union or, indeed, the rest of the world is land ownership so skewed to ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Rhoda Grant
Lab
I am short of time and I want to make another couple of points.The commitment to extend community right to buy in urban areas should have been in the report,...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the debate secured by Claire Baker. Like others before me, I wish that Mrs Baker had waited for the independent group looking at the future of land...