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Meeting of the Parliament 02 May 2013

02 May 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Justice System
Coffey, Willie SNP Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley Watch on SPTV
It has been highlighted already that the total economic and social cost of reoffending in Scotland is about £3 billion a year. According to the Audit Scotland report on reducing reoffending that was published in November last year, we spend over £400 million every year on criminal justice-related services, with some £99 million of that going to the community justice authorities every year for the past five or six years.

Some of the key challenges that we face in Scotland are that we have one of the highest prison population rates in Europe and that approximately 30 per cent of offenders are reconvicted after a year. There are, however, a number of positives and the trends are favourable: recorded crime is at a 37-year low, having fallen by 26 per cent since 2006; offences by young people have fallen; and the reoffending rates are at their lowest level for 10 years. The stakes are pretty high. The cost to society of offending is massive and the public investment in tackling it is substantial. That level of investment must return higher dividends to us, and the time is right for the Scottish Government to move the agenda forward.

I am a member of the Public Audit Committee, which has looked at the reoffending issue a few times. We did so in September 2011 and again last November. In the 2011 report “An overview of Scotland’s criminal justice system”, the Auditor General said that,

“Although CJAs were established in 2007, there are no agreed measures to assess their performance or impact”,

and he noted that funding arrangements were particularly complex in relation to the targeting of spend. As a result, CJAs tended to develop localised performance indicators, which made it difficult to establish a consistent picture on progress towards delivering on the national objective of reducing reoffending.

In last year’s follow-up report, “Reducing reoffending in Scotland”, Audit Scotland noted that none of the statutory partners who attend CJA board meetings is accountable to the CJA, which ultimately limits the effectiveness of the current model of delivery. Of course, that is not the fault of the CJAs themselves.

Audit Scotland made several recommendations, such as targeting spend at measures that are known to be effective, promoting collective responsibility among key players, co-ordinating work with the third sector and introducing clear lines of accountability, underpinned by effective monitoring of performance.

The recommendations are the natural next steps to take, seven or so years after CJAs were established, if we are to see the progress that I know we all want to see. I hope that the consultation on redesigning the community justice system will lead to our embracing the recommendations. Indeed, I am confident that all stakeholders will see the merit in moving in such a direction.

Over the past few years, my contact with the south-west Scotland CJA has been positive. We have an extremely dedicated and able convener in Councillor Peter McNamara, who is very committed to the task. I have been particularly impressed by the work that has been carried out under his stewardship.

When I was elected in 2007, one of my first visits was to Bowhouse prison in my constituency, to see for myself the work that is going on to come up with a strategy to reduce reoffending. I met prison officers, council officials, voluntary sector staff, the local community justice authority team and an ex-prisoner, who talked openly about his experience of prison and his journey away from offending. If one message stood out for me that day, it was this: one of the most important factors in reducing the risk of reoffending is the maintenance, as much as possible, of the links between the prisoner and their family. Prisoners who maintain close relationships with partners and children are less likely to develop associations with fellow criminals, which might lead them to reoffend.

Audit Scotland gave several examples of what works. More holistic, person-centred approaches, which involve throughcare and support services, all have encouraging results in the context of reducing reoffending. Such interventions do not come cheap, but we know that they work. They will help us to achieve our goal and reduce the massive cost to the public purse that I mentioned.

I commend the work that is carried out by my local CJA and its partners. Despite the deficiencies that Audit Scotland and the Parliament’s Public Audit Committee highlighted, the commitment that is given by everyone involved, even in the absence of clear governance arrangements, still gives me confidence that dedicated and capable people are at the heart of the criminal justice system in Scotland.

I make a plea to the cabinet secretary and the minister not to forget victims and families in the community justice system. It is not all about offenders; victims’ needs and expectations are just as important. Given the funding that we channel into offenders services, I hope that victims of crime will also feel that they are part of the new community justice process.

I have no doubt that whatever model the cabinet secretary adopts, he will have teams of excellent people, who will all be determined to work towards reducing reoffending in Scotland and who will be backed up by clear expectations and strong governance arrangements, to assist them in their task. That will be crucial.

16:29

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-06433, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on redesigning the community justice system.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
I know that the mood in the chamber is more sombre than usual, given events and the debate that has just taken place, but I am grateful that members have agr...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary clarify whether, if option B was chosen, consideration would be given to the fact that some local authorities that have areas of ve...
Kenny MacAskill SNP
Those matters will have to be discussed in detail. The funding formula that we use takes account of the additional pressure that many areas face as a result ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s closing comments. We will take up his offer of further discussion outwith the forum of parliamentary debate.There is genera...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I think that Lewis Macdonald will be aware that, with the new governor at Polmont prison, there is a new culture and determination that the expression “purpo...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I am grateful for that intervention. I do not doubt for a moment the commitment of many leaders in the Scottish Prison Service to achieving precisely that ch...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the debate because it gives Parliament the opportunity to examine why the current arrangement for strategic and operational responsibility with reg...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We move to the open debate, with speeches of six minutes. We have a little bit of time in hand for interventions.15:30
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
This week, I had the good fortune to be briefed by Rob Strachan, the chief officer of Lothian and Borders community justice authority. It is important to sta...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
The debate’s timing is rather unfortunate. The consultation principle has always been central to the Parliament, and it would have been better to wait until ...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
It is clear that there is a fair degree of agreement across the chamber this afternoon. I associate myself with many of the comments that other members have ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the speeches from all members thus far and I associate myself with many of the comments that have been made. I welcome the cabinet secretary’s ...
Margaret Mitchell Con
Does Graeme Pearson agree that the meaningful and purposeful activity that he refers to can be delivered in so-called short-term sentences? Putting people in...
Graeme Pearson Lab
Yes. When a prisoner is in custody 24/7, there are always avenues for delivery, if there is the will to deliver, the necessary support, the health interventi...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
Recorded crime is at a 37-year low, and the number of first-time offenders is falling. However, around half of the number who receive a short custodial sent...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
We know that the economic and social cost of offending and reoffending is immense, and we pour so many resources into picking up the pieces. Lives are ruined...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
Perhaps I am the only one—I do not know—but I am pleased to speak in the debate. I take on board what everyone has said, but the more we discuss the communit...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today’s debate seems premature given that the consultation finished only two days ago and we are awaiting the responses and conclusions. However, like other ...
Sandra White SNP
Perhaps Mary Fee will be able to educate me on the CJAs. She said that various members of CJAs had contacted her. Would she say that the CJAs work differentl...
Mary Fee Lab
I think that CJAs work in broadly the same manner in different local authorities. I am perhaps fortunate in that I was a local authority member before I came...
Christine Grahame SNP
Can I tempt Mary Fee with option D?
Mary Fee Lab
I thank Christine Grahame for her intervention—I will hold my decision on option D for a bit longer, if that is all right.Before the debate, I had the opport...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
It has been highlighted already that the total economic and social cost of reoffending in Scotland is about £3 billion a year. According to the Audit Scotlan...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate and, like Sandra White, I am quite happy to speak on an important subject. It is important to get the structure to deliver community jus...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
We move to closing speeches. I call Annabel Goldie, who has six minutes or thereby.16:36
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome both the Scottish Government’s recent consultation and this afternoon’s debate on redesigning the community justice system. That matters not only b...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I reiterate what other members have said about the timing of today’s debate. Two days after the closure of the consultation is perhaps a little too soon to d...
Kenny MacAskill SNP
Did the member not listen when we said quite clearly that the proposal—whether it is A, B or C—would not come into effect until the spring of 2016? Given tha...
Jenny Marra Lab
Fanciful or not, those are not my words but the words of a leader of a community justice authority, and they are a response to the cabinet secretary’s motion...