Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 27 February 2013
27 Feb 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Families Need Fathers
I will consider that point, and Christine Grahame and I can continue a dialogue on it.
John Mason mentioned the parenting agreement for Scotland. The national parenting strategy commits us to updating it in 2014 and to publicising it more. We will certainly involve Families Need Fathers when we update it, and my officials will talk to Families Need Fathers shortly to discuss what we can do now to publicise it more. The debate is timely in relation to that dialogue.
This year we have provided funding to Families Need Fathers for a project that provides information and support to fathers and other family members facing contact problems after separation. It is also working to improve understanding of existing legal rights and to promote involvement of non-resident fathers in their children’s education.
I know how difficult some non-resident fathers can find it to be fully involved in their children’s lives. Indeed, many members mentioned that in their contributions. Contact cases can be very difficult for all concerned.
John Mason referred to article 9(3) of the UNCRC, which provides:
“States Parties shall respect the right of the child who is separated from one or both parents to maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis, except if it is contrary to the child’s best interests.”
As John Mason, Malcolm Chisholm and Bob Doris mentioned, the key is the “best interests” of the child.
The relevant Scottish legislation—section 11 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995—provides that in cases such as contact and residence, the court
“shall regard the welfare of the child concerned as its paramount consideration”.
We are not planning any amendments to section 11 that could have an adverse impact. We believe that, where it is possible and safe, both parents should be involved in the upbringing of their children, but the child must always be at the centre.
Sandra White mentioned courts and Christine Grahame gave a very factual and knowledgeable account of her experience in the legal field. I reiterate that I am happy to follow up any of the points that she wants to be covered. We are taking steps to improve the court system. Kenny MacAskill today launched a consultation on a bill to reform the civil courts, so the issue is very much live. That bill will address inefficiencies in Scotland’s civil courts and rebalance the system so that more cases will be heard in local sheriff courts. We hope that that move will find more user-friendly ways of dealing with family disputes.
At another level, we have established a working group on bar reporters, on which Families Need Fathers is represented. Bar reporters provide reports to sheriffs in contact cases. Moreover, members who were unable to participate in today’s debate have raised with me the practical problems that can arise when a child is relocated in the UK. We will continue to work with the UK Government to raise awareness of the practical issues of child relocation in the UK.
Bringing up children is a hugely rewarding job—none of us wants to forget that point, which was raised in members’ speeches—for dads as well as mums, but it can also be the hardest job that there is. If we are serious about improving outcomes for our children and young people, we need to ensure that all parents and carers get the support that they need, when they need it, and we need to ensure that dads are supported to play their full part. I am glad that Nanette Milne welcomed the work that we have done with the national parenting strategy to address some of the issues that fathers raised.
As the First Minister announced in September, the early years task force has committed £18 million over three years to improve the provision of family support across Scotland. I am glad that Anne McTaggart welcomed that, given her experience of groups in Glasgow. Indeed, I visited the Parent Network Scotland in Greenock and I very much understand its good work. Family support will be influenced by the fathers national advisory panel and we will ensure that family support meets the needs of fathers across Scotland.
It is important to recognise that we are not starting from scratch. Many members mentioned the dads rock musical playgroup that is run by dads for dads. I had the pleasure of meeting those dads a couple of times and I recognise the work that they do, which Mark McDonald and Malcolm Chisholm mentioned.
Removing the barriers that prevent dads from playing their part is one of the most effective ways that we can improve the health, wellbeing, opportunities and life chances of our children and young people. Investing in parents—by that I mean dads as well as mums—is good for not only children and young people but our communities and the cohesion and productivity of our country. That is something that we should not forget.
We have made a start and we are determined to build on that. We look forward to working with colleagues across the chamber and partners such as Families Need Fathers to achieve more.
Meeting closed at 17:48.
John Mason mentioned the parenting agreement for Scotland. The national parenting strategy commits us to updating it in 2014 and to publicising it more. We will certainly involve Families Need Fathers when we update it, and my officials will talk to Families Need Fathers shortly to discuss what we can do now to publicise it more. The debate is timely in relation to that dialogue.
This year we have provided funding to Families Need Fathers for a project that provides information and support to fathers and other family members facing contact problems after separation. It is also working to improve understanding of existing legal rights and to promote involvement of non-resident fathers in their children’s education.
I know how difficult some non-resident fathers can find it to be fully involved in their children’s lives. Indeed, many members mentioned that in their contributions. Contact cases can be very difficult for all concerned.
John Mason referred to article 9(3) of the UNCRC, which provides:
“States Parties shall respect the right of the child who is separated from one or both parents to maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis, except if it is contrary to the child’s best interests.”
As John Mason, Malcolm Chisholm and Bob Doris mentioned, the key is the “best interests” of the child.
The relevant Scottish legislation—section 11 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995—provides that in cases such as contact and residence, the court
“shall regard the welfare of the child concerned as its paramount consideration”.
We are not planning any amendments to section 11 that could have an adverse impact. We believe that, where it is possible and safe, both parents should be involved in the upbringing of their children, but the child must always be at the centre.
Sandra White mentioned courts and Christine Grahame gave a very factual and knowledgeable account of her experience in the legal field. I reiterate that I am happy to follow up any of the points that she wants to be covered. We are taking steps to improve the court system. Kenny MacAskill today launched a consultation on a bill to reform the civil courts, so the issue is very much live. That bill will address inefficiencies in Scotland’s civil courts and rebalance the system so that more cases will be heard in local sheriff courts. We hope that that move will find more user-friendly ways of dealing with family disputes.
At another level, we have established a working group on bar reporters, on which Families Need Fathers is represented. Bar reporters provide reports to sheriffs in contact cases. Moreover, members who were unable to participate in today’s debate have raised with me the practical problems that can arise when a child is relocated in the UK. We will continue to work with the UK Government to raise awareness of the practical issues of child relocation in the UK.
Bringing up children is a hugely rewarding job—none of us wants to forget that point, which was raised in members’ speeches—for dads as well as mums, but it can also be the hardest job that there is. If we are serious about improving outcomes for our children and young people, we need to ensure that all parents and carers get the support that they need, when they need it, and we need to ensure that dads are supported to play their full part. I am glad that Nanette Milne welcomed the work that we have done with the national parenting strategy to address some of the issues that fathers raised.
As the First Minister announced in September, the early years task force has committed £18 million over three years to improve the provision of family support across Scotland. I am glad that Anne McTaggart welcomed that, given her experience of groups in Glasgow. Indeed, I visited the Parent Network Scotland in Greenock and I very much understand its good work. Family support will be influenced by the fathers national advisory panel and we will ensure that family support meets the needs of fathers across Scotland.
It is important to recognise that we are not starting from scratch. Many members mentioned the dads rock musical playgroup that is run by dads for dads. I had the pleasure of meeting those dads a couple of times and I recognise the work that they do, which Mark McDonald and Malcolm Chisholm mentioned.
Removing the barriers that prevent dads from playing their part is one of the most effective ways that we can improve the health, wellbeing, opportunities and life chances of our children and young people. Investing in parents—by that I mean dads as well as mums—is good for not only children and young people but our communities and the cohesion and productivity of our country. That is something that we should not forget.
We have made a start and we are determined to build on that. We look forward to working with colleagues across the chamber and partners such as Families Need Fathers to achieve more.
Meeting closed at 17:48.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-04456, in the name of John Mason, on Families Need Fathers. The debate will be c...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
SNP
I thank members who signed the motion, which has allowed the debate to happen.Perhaps I should start off by declaring a non-interest in the subject, in that ...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
As a parent of three lovely young children and a former chair of the Blairdardie primary school parent board in Glasgow, I am delighted to take part in the d...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I thank John Mason for securing the debate, which is very timely, given the publication of the Scottish Government’s national parenting strategy, in which—as...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I should have reminded members at the beginning of the debate to speak through the chair and to refer to each other by their full names, not as “you”.17:20
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
I very much welcome the debate and am grateful to John Mason for bringing it to the chamber this evening.Mr Mason’s motion rightly refers to the “important” ...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I congratulate my colleague John Mason on securing this debate.In its national parenting strategy, the Scottish Government has set out its ambition to make S...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I congratulate John Mason on bringing forward this important but complex debate. It is complex in practice, but not in respect of the principles that should ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
I congratulate John Mason and declare an interest as a former court lawyer specialising in family law. Although I am wary of drawing from that experience, wh...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I thank John Mason for bringing to the Parliament what has been so far an excellent debate. I signed his motion, and I had been thinking of putting my name d...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell)
SNP
I thank John Mason for bringing this important debate to the chamber and for raising a number of important issues. I also thank other members for their thoug...
Christine Grahame
SNP
I suppose that this question is for onward transmission to Dr Alasdair Allan. Regarding the number of schools that seem absolutely unaware of their duties un...
Aileen Campbell
SNP
I will consider that point, and Christine Grahame and I can continue a dialogue on it.John Mason mentioned the parenting agreement for Scotland. The national...