Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 20 February 2013
20 Feb 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
New Medicines
I welcome the opportunity to debate access to new medicines in the NHS and the tone of the speeches made by Jackson Carlaw and the cabinet secretary. I also welcome the new medicines review that the cabinet secretary has initiated.
It is right that we consider how the SMC operates. Although its work is highly regarded, it is nevertheless operating under certain constraints as a result of the criteria that the Scottish Government has set. Equally, it is right that we review IPTRs. Clinicians and patients have made it clear to us that those are an obstacle to patients getting the medicines that they need and that the approach varies across Scotland, and we must consider those comments.
Like the SNP, Labour did not support the cancer drugs fund, not because it was proposed by the Tories but partly because we genuinely believed that other equally serious conditions also needed improved access to medicine and that an emphasis on early treatment and a preventative approach led to better outcomes. The operation of the cancer drugs fund in England has also led to a bit of a postcode lottery in places, which is not, I believe, desirable.
That said, the current IPTR system is no longer acceptable. Clinician after clinician came before the Parliament’s Health and Sport Committee to criticise it—and they were very brave to do so. They were being placed in the invidious position of recommending patients who they knew would benefit from the drug required in the knowledge that their chances of securing agreement from the health board were very slim.
Let me point members to the words of Dr Stephen Harrow, who is a consultant oncologist at the Beatson. He told the committee that he works in a deprived area in the west of Scotland and that he has to tell patients that there are more drugs that are not available than drugs that they can access.
It took the shocking case of Iain Morrison, which was highlighted in the chamber, to prompt action. He is a man with bowel cancer who had to pay £1,700 a fortnight for the drugs that help to prolong his life. The NHS charged him VAT and an administration fee for the privilege. Thankfully, he now has access to the drugs, but I understand that that took more than one request and the assistance of his constituency MSP.
We heard the case of Anne Fisher, who is a mother of three from Greenock who has cancer. She cannot get access here to drugs that would be available if she lived in England. That simply cannot be right by any measure.
There is also the case of a constituent of mine, whom I shall call Mrs Smith, although that is not her real name. In 2007, Mrs Smith was diagnosed with bowel cancer. Her daughter and her husband contacted my office in 2012 after she had had two IPTRs and appeals rejected. As a result of tests that experts carried out, we know that she would benefit from a 12-week course of cetuximab. Her third IPTR last October was also unsuccessful. In another health board area, she would have been given the treatment.
I say to the cabinet secretary that that simply cannot go on. Whatever the outcome of the review, the cabinet secretary must ensure that, at the very least, there is not that appalling postcode lottery in Scotland. Access to medicines must improve, and there must be consistency of application across all the 14 health boards in Scotland.
It is right that we consider how the SMC operates. Although its work is highly regarded, it is nevertheless operating under certain constraints as a result of the criteria that the Scottish Government has set. Equally, it is right that we review IPTRs. Clinicians and patients have made it clear to us that those are an obstacle to patients getting the medicines that they need and that the approach varies across Scotland, and we must consider those comments.
Like the SNP, Labour did not support the cancer drugs fund, not because it was proposed by the Tories but partly because we genuinely believed that other equally serious conditions also needed improved access to medicine and that an emphasis on early treatment and a preventative approach led to better outcomes. The operation of the cancer drugs fund in England has also led to a bit of a postcode lottery in places, which is not, I believe, desirable.
That said, the current IPTR system is no longer acceptable. Clinician after clinician came before the Parliament’s Health and Sport Committee to criticise it—and they were very brave to do so. They were being placed in the invidious position of recommending patients who they knew would benefit from the drug required in the knowledge that their chances of securing agreement from the health board were very slim.
Let me point members to the words of Dr Stephen Harrow, who is a consultant oncologist at the Beatson. He told the committee that he works in a deprived area in the west of Scotland and that he has to tell patients that there are more drugs that are not available than drugs that they can access.
It took the shocking case of Iain Morrison, which was highlighted in the chamber, to prompt action. He is a man with bowel cancer who had to pay £1,700 a fortnight for the drugs that help to prolong his life. The NHS charged him VAT and an administration fee for the privilege. Thankfully, he now has access to the drugs, but I understand that that took more than one request and the assistance of his constituency MSP.
We heard the case of Anne Fisher, who is a mother of three from Greenock who has cancer. She cannot get access here to drugs that would be available if she lived in England. That simply cannot be right by any measure.
There is also the case of a constituent of mine, whom I shall call Mrs Smith, although that is not her real name. In 2007, Mrs Smith was diagnosed with bowel cancer. Her daughter and her husband contacted my office in 2012 after she had had two IPTRs and appeals rejected. As a result of tests that experts carried out, we know that she would benefit from a 12-week course of cetuximab. Her third IPTR last October was also unsuccessful. In another health board area, she would have been given the treatment.
I say to the cabinet secretary that that simply cannot go on. Whatever the outcome of the review, the cabinet secretary must ensure that, at the very least, there is not that appalling postcode lottery in Scotland. Access to medicines must improve, and there must be consistency of application across all the 14 health boards in Scotland.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-05664, in the name of Jackson Carlaw, on health. 15:55
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Conservatives have framed the motion with a view to making qualitative progress on the subject of cancer in this afternoon’s debate. In that spirit, we w...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I will in due course.It is not a choice between detection and making drugs available—those are two halves of the approach that the Parliament should ensure i...
Mark McDonald
SNP
I know that Mr Carlaw was making a fleeting political point, but I will quote to him what Breakthrough Cancer Scotland said:“Breakthrough would suggest that ...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
The member has made his point. Many of the quotes used by Mark McDonald are from papers that were issued at the commencement of the cancer drugs fund in the ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw
Con
No—I want to make the point.I am not someone who gets overly emotional in politics—I have been around long enough to know that the hard knocks come and they ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Alex Neil)
SNP
This is a difficult and very sensitive subject. I think that we all recognise that making decisions about which medicines to provide for national health serv...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
SNP
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that public trust and confidence go to the heart of the debate, and that the public have a right to expect that if their...
Alex Neil
SNP
I will deal with some of those points later in my speech.Thousands of medicines in various doses and formulations are available to clinicians in the UK. In S...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate access to new medicines in the NHS and the tone of the speeches made by Jackson Carlaw and the cabinet secretary. I also ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
You are in your last minute.
Jackie Baillie
Lab
Fourteen different ways of doing things is no longer acceptable.Let me turn to the orphan drugs fund. That is very welcome, but it must not just be a stickin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
The debate is extremely tight, and we have already lost a member from it. I ask members to take only their four minutes.16:18
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate a very serious and sensitive issue, particularly as a member of the Health and Sport Committee, as the issue forms part o...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I understand the point that the member is making, but she has just referred to the £21 million that has been made available for the rare conditions medicine ...
Aileen McLeod
SNP
I speak as somebody who has worn both hats: one as a policy maker and one as a cancer victim and survivor. I am therefore acutely aware of how cancer suffere...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
Lab
I am sure that we will hear a lot in the debate about the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, the Scottish Medicines Consortium, individua...
Joan McAlpine
SNP
I think that the member was referring to my article in the Daily Record and I thank him for taking an intervention from me, which Mr Carlaw did not have the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Please be brief.
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Does the member agree that there is an issue to do with pharmaceutical companies holding the health service to ransom—
Duncan McNeil
Lab
The member will speak in the debate. I hope that I will be given additional time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I am afraid that this is a very short debate.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
I accept that the premise of Ms McAlpine’s article was that politicians should not be involved in the process at all. However, we set the parameters and we p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
You must conclude, Mr McNeil.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
That is why the cabinet secretary instigated a review of the process. It matters that we lost precious time. That time was not as precious for us as it was f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I advise members that we might have to lose another speaker from the debate. Members must take interventions in their own time.16:26
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the debate, although I cannot accept the Conservative motion. I will explain to Jackson Carlaw why that is the case. Mr Carlaw will not share this ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
That is the clinician’s decision.