Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 20 February 2013
20 Feb 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
New Medicines
I will deal with some of those points later in my speech.
Thousands of medicines in various doses and formulations are available to clinicians in the UK. In Scotland, around 15,000 medicines can be prescribed by our doctors for various conditions. The Scottish Medicines Consortium appraises around 60 new medicines each year and publishes advice for NHS boards on their clinical effectiveness and their cost effectiveness. A significant number of those medicines are described as “me too” medicines, which means that they are one of many that are available to treat a particular condition.
The SMC was given the important task of providing national advice for NHS boards in Scotland on which medicines offer the clinical outcomes that clinicians require and represent value for money. In providing such advice, the SMC recognises that when a new medicine is one of many that are available to treat a particular condition, local clinicians are best placed to decide whether that newly launched medicine should be added to the formulary list of medicines that are available for routine prescription for the patient population, or whether there is a preference for prescribing those medicines that they have experience of using, and for which the safety profile is known and trusted.
When an NHS board chooses not to add a new SMC-accepted medicine to its formulary, clinicians may still seek NHS board agreement to prescribe it for individual patients through an extremely straightforward non-formulary request. When the SMC does not recommend a new medicine, NHS boards are not expected to routinely prescribe it, but NHS clinicians can pursue access to such medicines on a case-by-case basis for individual patients when they believe that they can provide a robust clinical case to support it. Those are local clinical decisions, which are based on the clinical circumstances of each patient.
I have listened to concerns that some clinicians and patient groups have raised about differences between the availability of medicines—cancer medicines in particular since the Department of Health launched the cancer drugs fund in England—in Scotland and their availability in England. Although I can fully understand those concerns, it is important to note that comparisons between the medicines that are available in England and those that are available in Scotland are not always valid. Indeed, there are some medicines that have been approved for use in Scotland that have not been approved in England.
Lists of medicines do not tell the whole story about available treatment for cancer or improvements in cancer care. Some improvements are the result of earlier diagnosis or developments in technologies other than medicines. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, which is the equivalent down south of the SMC, looks at a limited list of new medicines, but the SMC looks at all new medicines. That means that there are SMC-approved medicines available in Scotland that are not available in England. For example, imatinib, which is used for the treatment of certain gastrointestinal tumours, has been accepted for restricted use by the SMC in Scotland but has not been recommended by NICE. Another example is mercaptopurine, which is used for the treatment of certain leukaemias. Although it has been accepted by the SMC, there is no NICE advice for it. That can lead to significant variation in the use of the medicine in the NHS in England, never mind between Scotland and England. The appraisal of new medicines is dynamic, with new and updated advice published every month north and south of the border.
Scotland’s decision not to introduce a cancer drugs fund reflects our policy position that ring fencing funding for a single disease area effectively diverts resources away from other conditions, including those that are severe or life limiting. For the record, I point out that the fact that it was proposed by a Tory Government had nothing to do with our policy decision in Scotland.
In providing advice to the Public Petitions Committee in the Scottish Parliament just over a year ago—and well after the introduction of the cancer drugs fund in England—key cancer charities including Breakthrough Breast Cancer, Macmillan Cancer Support Scotland and Myeloma UK recognised that a cancer drugs fund was not a necessary policy measure in Scotland. The view is also shared by the Welsh Government.
That said, I remain committed to considering any way in which we can genuinely improve access to clinically and cost effective medicines that might improve outcomes for patients in Scotland. That is why I have asked Professors Routledge and Scott to oversee a review of how new medicines are introduced in the NHS in Scotland from national appraisal by the SMC through to local NHS board decision making, including IPTRs. I recognise the concerns that have been expressed about how the IPTR process is working and the review—and, no doubt, the review by the Health and Sport Committee—will want to address them.
Finally, the substantial amount of money that is needed to create a separate cancer drugs fund will have to come from elsewhere in the health budget, and those making this proposal must tell us where that money will come from and how much they want to put into the fund so that we know what the policy choices are. It is a difficult decision that politicians are going to have to face up to, but I hope that across the chamber we can at least recognise that, although we might express different points of view on this subject, we should do so in a tone that is appropriate for the patients who are looking on.
I move amendment S4M-05654.2, to leave out from “potentially” to end and insert:
“for all aspects of access to new medicines are subject to an ongoing review; welcomes the introduction of the £21 million Rare Conditions Medicines Fund as an interim measure in response to advice by Professor Charles Swainson, who is undertaking the review of individual patient treatment request processes; accepts that routine approval of individual drugs is rightly a matter for the SMC and that, should the review highlight areas where these processes can be improved, these should be enacted quickly, and believes that the actual benefit to the patient and their quality of life must be the key consideration in determining the use of any new treatment or medicine and that the voices of patients and clinical experts must be heard in the assessment process.”
16:12
Thousands of medicines in various doses and formulations are available to clinicians in the UK. In Scotland, around 15,000 medicines can be prescribed by our doctors for various conditions. The Scottish Medicines Consortium appraises around 60 new medicines each year and publishes advice for NHS boards on their clinical effectiveness and their cost effectiveness. A significant number of those medicines are described as “me too” medicines, which means that they are one of many that are available to treat a particular condition.
The SMC was given the important task of providing national advice for NHS boards in Scotland on which medicines offer the clinical outcomes that clinicians require and represent value for money. In providing such advice, the SMC recognises that when a new medicine is one of many that are available to treat a particular condition, local clinicians are best placed to decide whether that newly launched medicine should be added to the formulary list of medicines that are available for routine prescription for the patient population, or whether there is a preference for prescribing those medicines that they have experience of using, and for which the safety profile is known and trusted.
When an NHS board chooses not to add a new SMC-accepted medicine to its formulary, clinicians may still seek NHS board agreement to prescribe it for individual patients through an extremely straightforward non-formulary request. When the SMC does not recommend a new medicine, NHS boards are not expected to routinely prescribe it, but NHS clinicians can pursue access to such medicines on a case-by-case basis for individual patients when they believe that they can provide a robust clinical case to support it. Those are local clinical decisions, which are based on the clinical circumstances of each patient.
I have listened to concerns that some clinicians and patient groups have raised about differences between the availability of medicines—cancer medicines in particular since the Department of Health launched the cancer drugs fund in England—in Scotland and their availability in England. Although I can fully understand those concerns, it is important to note that comparisons between the medicines that are available in England and those that are available in Scotland are not always valid. Indeed, there are some medicines that have been approved for use in Scotland that have not been approved in England.
Lists of medicines do not tell the whole story about available treatment for cancer or improvements in cancer care. Some improvements are the result of earlier diagnosis or developments in technologies other than medicines. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, which is the equivalent down south of the SMC, looks at a limited list of new medicines, but the SMC looks at all new medicines. That means that there are SMC-approved medicines available in Scotland that are not available in England. For example, imatinib, which is used for the treatment of certain gastrointestinal tumours, has been accepted for restricted use by the SMC in Scotland but has not been recommended by NICE. Another example is mercaptopurine, which is used for the treatment of certain leukaemias. Although it has been accepted by the SMC, there is no NICE advice for it. That can lead to significant variation in the use of the medicine in the NHS in England, never mind between Scotland and England. The appraisal of new medicines is dynamic, with new and updated advice published every month north and south of the border.
Scotland’s decision not to introduce a cancer drugs fund reflects our policy position that ring fencing funding for a single disease area effectively diverts resources away from other conditions, including those that are severe or life limiting. For the record, I point out that the fact that it was proposed by a Tory Government had nothing to do with our policy decision in Scotland.
In providing advice to the Public Petitions Committee in the Scottish Parliament just over a year ago—and well after the introduction of the cancer drugs fund in England—key cancer charities including Breakthrough Breast Cancer, Macmillan Cancer Support Scotland and Myeloma UK recognised that a cancer drugs fund was not a necessary policy measure in Scotland. The view is also shared by the Welsh Government.
That said, I remain committed to considering any way in which we can genuinely improve access to clinically and cost effective medicines that might improve outcomes for patients in Scotland. That is why I have asked Professors Routledge and Scott to oversee a review of how new medicines are introduced in the NHS in Scotland from national appraisal by the SMC through to local NHS board decision making, including IPTRs. I recognise the concerns that have been expressed about how the IPTR process is working and the review—and, no doubt, the review by the Health and Sport Committee—will want to address them.
Finally, the substantial amount of money that is needed to create a separate cancer drugs fund will have to come from elsewhere in the health budget, and those making this proposal must tell us where that money will come from and how much they want to put into the fund so that we know what the policy choices are. It is a difficult decision that politicians are going to have to face up to, but I hope that across the chamber we can at least recognise that, although we might express different points of view on this subject, we should do so in a tone that is appropriate for the patients who are looking on.
I move amendment S4M-05654.2, to leave out from “potentially” to end and insert:
“for all aspects of access to new medicines are subject to an ongoing review; welcomes the introduction of the £21 million Rare Conditions Medicines Fund as an interim measure in response to advice by Professor Charles Swainson, who is undertaking the review of individual patient treatment request processes; accepts that routine approval of individual drugs is rightly a matter for the SMC and that, should the review highlight areas where these processes can be improved, these should be enacted quickly, and believes that the actual benefit to the patient and their quality of life must be the key consideration in determining the use of any new treatment or medicine and that the voices of patients and clinical experts must be heard in the assessment process.”
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References in this contribution
Motions, questions or amendments mentioned by their reference code.
- S4M-05654.2 Health Motion
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-05664, in the name of Jackson Carlaw, on health. 15:55
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Conservatives have framed the motion with a view to making qualitative progress on the subject of cancer in this afternoon’s debate. In that spirit, we w...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I will in due course.It is not a choice between detection and making drugs available—those are two halves of the approach that the Parliament should ensure i...
Mark McDonald
SNP
I know that Mr Carlaw was making a fleeting political point, but I will quote to him what Breakthrough Cancer Scotland said:“Breakthrough would suggest that ...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
The member has made his point. Many of the quotes used by Mark McDonald are from papers that were issued at the commencement of the cancer drugs fund in the ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw
Con
No—I want to make the point.I am not someone who gets overly emotional in politics—I have been around long enough to know that the hard knocks come and they ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Alex Neil)
SNP
This is a difficult and very sensitive subject. I think that we all recognise that making decisions about which medicines to provide for national health serv...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
SNP
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that public trust and confidence go to the heart of the debate, and that the public have a right to expect that if their...
Alex Neil
SNP
I will deal with some of those points later in my speech.Thousands of medicines in various doses and formulations are available to clinicians in the UK. In S...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate access to new medicines in the NHS and the tone of the speeches made by Jackson Carlaw and the cabinet secretary. I also ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
You are in your last minute.
Jackie Baillie
Lab
Fourteen different ways of doing things is no longer acceptable.Let me turn to the orphan drugs fund. That is very welcome, but it must not just be a stickin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
The debate is extremely tight, and we have already lost a member from it. I ask members to take only their four minutes.16:18
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate a very serious and sensitive issue, particularly as a member of the Health and Sport Committee, as the issue forms part o...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I understand the point that the member is making, but she has just referred to the £21 million that has been made available for the rare conditions medicine ...
Aileen McLeod
SNP
I speak as somebody who has worn both hats: one as a policy maker and one as a cancer victim and survivor. I am therefore acutely aware of how cancer suffere...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
Lab
I am sure that we will hear a lot in the debate about the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, the Scottish Medicines Consortium, individua...
Joan McAlpine
SNP
I think that the member was referring to my article in the Daily Record and I thank him for taking an intervention from me, which Mr Carlaw did not have the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Please be brief.
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Does the member agree that there is an issue to do with pharmaceutical companies holding the health service to ransom—
Duncan McNeil
Lab
The member will speak in the debate. I hope that I will be given additional time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I am afraid that this is a very short debate.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
I accept that the premise of Ms McAlpine’s article was that politicians should not be involved in the process at all. However, we set the parameters and we p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
You must conclude, Mr McNeil.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
That is why the cabinet secretary instigated a review of the process. It matters that we lost precious time. That time was not as precious for us as it was f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I advise members that we might have to lose another speaker from the debate. Members must take interventions in their own time.16:26
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the debate, although I cannot accept the Conservative motion. I will explain to Jackson Carlaw why that is the case. Mr Carlaw will not share this ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
That is the clinician’s decision.