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Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2012

31 Oct 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill
The UK Government proposals that the minister is talking about are not part of the bill; they are not relevant. What the UK Government is doing is looking at the proposals that it inherited from the Labour Government and seeking to amend the policies that this Government is going ahead and introducing, which are absolutely preposterous.

As the Confederation of British Industry stated, the bill introduces a “tax on distress”, with a cash grab on organisations and businesses that can least afford to pay. The adverse consequences of the new tax will not be borne by the private sector alone; the impact will also be felt by the public sector at a time when national health service boards, local councils and other service providers in Scotland are coping with stringent financial constraints on their budgets. As such, the bill will affect the delivery of public services to people throughout Scotland and will lead to job losses and all the misery and dire consequences that that means for families in Scotland.

The minister and his Government have repeatedly heard the legitimate concerns expressed by the CBI, the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, the Scottish Property Federation and the Scottish Retail Consortium—to name but a few—about the adverse effects of the reduction in rates relief on commercial empty property. Despite that, the SNP has continued to use its parliamentary majority to force through what the Scottish Property Federation accurately described as

“the wrong tax at the wrong time.”

It said that

“if it goes ahead”,

we will

“see yet more businesses going into administration on our high streets.”

Scottish Land & Estates stated that the proposal

“will further penalise owners of business premises who are already experiencing real financial difficulties through loss of rental income.”

Members should forgive me, therefore, if I and all those affected by this legislation take with the proverbial pinch of salt the Scottish Government’s contention that it has been listening throughout the progress of the bill. Significantly, the Scottish Government has succeeded in uniting the business community in Scotland as never before—in opposition to the bill. [Interruption.] I am not surprised that the cabinet secretary does not like what he is hearing. It will get much worse in the next few months as the bill’s provisions kick in.

The legislation will not only punish property owners, who are already suffering in the current economic climate; it will also punish Scottish businesses and put them at a competitive disadvantage with the rest of the UK, deter speculative development, stifle inward investment, and further hinder the construction industry.

No business and regulatory impact assessment has been carried out and there is no evidence to support the contention that empty properties will be brought back into use as a result of this legislation. The vast majority of empty properties are not wilfully left unoccupied but unoccupied due to lack of demand.

This is bad legislation, which will only add to the problems already faced by the business community and others. Consequently, the Scottish Conservatives will vote against the bill this evening.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04598, in the name of Derek Mackay, on the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Local Government F...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary.We now begin the debate. I call Margaret Burgess to speak to and move the motion in the name of Derek Mackay.16:17
The Minister for Housing and Welfare (Margaret Burgess) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Local Government and Regener...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Margaret Burgess SNP
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Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank those who gave evidence to the committees that dealt with the bill, the organisations that lobbied us, and the committee clerks.From the outset, Labo...
The Minister for Local Government and Planning (Derek Mackay) SNP
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Sarah Boyack Lab
The evidence that was presented to the committee and MSPs. There are not only demolitions in the industrial sector; there are demolitions in the commercial s...
Derek Mackay SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
No. I have answered the minister’s question. He asked about the evidence, and I have told him what it is.We have been told—by town centre managers, I think—t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
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Derek Mackay SNP
Sorry. Can the member say that again?
Sarah Boyack Lab
I will repeat it for the minister’s benefit. The information that was submitted to me by Glasgow City Council is that it alone will have to pay more than £1 ...
Derek Mackay SNP
I am happy that the member will take my intervention. Perhaps she would like to have another go at citing exactly which evidence she was talking about when s...
Sarah Boyack Lab
I gave the minister the source: I said that it related to town centre managers. I am sure that that was the reference that we got. I will certainly check the...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I cannot pretend that it gives me any pleasure to speak in this stage 3 debate on the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill, w...
Derek Mackay SNP
In light of what the member has just said, does she have a view on the United Kingdom Government’s intervention on listed properties, which will be exempt fr...
Margaret Mitchell Con
The UK Government proposals that the minister is talking about are not part of the bill; they are not relevant. What the UK Government is doing is looking at...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
We now move to the open debate. I remind members that speeches are four minutes. If everybody keeps to their four minutes, it will ensure that everyone who h...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I come to this debate as a relatively new member of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. I was not a member of the committee when the Local Gover...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You need to start to bring your remarks to a close.
John Wilson SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. In many ways, the traditional town centre has been losing out as a result of wider societal change, and the challenge is for it...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I want to express my concerns on the challenging process and the questionable content of the bill.As a member of the Local Government and Regeneration Commit...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I am extremely pleased to speak in this debate. I do so not in a cold or academic way, because the town that I represent, and in which I was born, has alread...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
The member mentioned that he consulted two children. Did he actually consult any businesses in Paisley regarding empty properties?
George Adam SNP
Ironically, anyone who had listened earlier would know that our problem in Paisley is trying to retain people because of previous Administrations in Westmins...
Derek Mackay SNP
Does the member welcome the fact that we consulted businesses on this issue, including the business improvement district steering group, which supports our d...
George Adam SNP
Yes.We have talked about Mr Hume’s contributions to the debate. We must remember that some organisations take a purely business perspective and do not consid...