Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 October 2012
23 Oct 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Role of the Media in Criminal Trials
I will say a little about the role of the accused in the process. I do not think that members have said much about that in discussing television exposure.
The basic principle is that someone is innocent until found guilty. Donald Findlay asked the Justice Committee:
“If someone is acquitted, why should they have their image blasted into every home by the television?”
He also said:
“The lives of people who are convicted or acquitted of serious criminal charges could be put at risk, because there are people out there who want to seek vengeance.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1781-2.]
I associate myself with those concerns.
I would also like to comment on the position of victims of miscarriages of justice. I have specific constituency experience of that from two cases in particular. At the times of the trials, there was significant media interest. A victim of a miscarriage of justice has a statutory right to appeal, and the appeal can again be subject to significant media interest. One day, with almost no support, the person is released from jail and told that they can walk free, yet they receive less support from society than someone who was guilty and has served their time.
Such people are a tiny minority, thankfully, but their individual human rights need to be protected as well. Are we saying that their images should be blasted across the television? If we allow that to happen, it could create danger as well as compounding the miscarriage of justice. I have seen at first hand how such people’s mental and emotional wellbeing is damaged by the lack of support. I wanted to put that on the record while we are discussing media exposure.
I want to say something about the vulnerability of witnesses. Detective Chief Superintendent Cuddihy said in his evidence to the committee:
“When the due process of law results in judicial proceedings, we must ensure that victims, witnesses and their families are protected from the fear of intimidation and influence—perceived or otherwise—and that they are free to give evidence without any undue pressure being applied to them that may result in the integrity of the evidence, the trial and justice being compromised.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1793.]
Again, I associate myself with that concern.
Without going into any details, as that would be inappropriate, I am convinced that I have witnessed intimidation of witnesses in a courtroom simply by the fact the accused was in the same courtroom—never mind what would happen if greater exposure was shone on witnesses in the schemes and communities from which they come. I have significant concerns in relation to that.
I have significant concerns about the concept of someone who willingly gives evidence being labelled a grass by a minority of people in some of our communities and how that plays out in those areas. We should be doing what we can to support people to give evidence rather than putting barriers in their path. I am concerned that, although we want to see as much transparency as possible in the judicial system, we might not meet the ends of justice for people who are vulnerable by shining more of a light on the system.
On the other side, there is the issue of conniving witnesses. Not all witnesses go to court to tell the truth. If someone agrees to be a witness, there could be a concern that they will play to the audience when giving evidence. The criminal defence solicitor Aamer Anwar stated in his written submission that potential safeguards will do
“little to tackle how the filming of witnesses will stop them embellishing their evidence or tailoring it, due to the fact that they will be judged by millions watching at home”.
Indeed, witnesses may follow the trial via whatever media platform in advance of taking to the stand. That is another concern of mine.
I am concerned about how things will play out in the reporting of serious and organised crime. I tend to think that those involved at the very top of serious and organised crime do not like light to be shone on their activities, as they can be quite secretive. However, their henchmen are not that secretive and have a swagger in some of our communities. At times, they have been quite impudent when they have been on the witness stand or, indeed, been the accused. The idea of giving more exposure to that behaviour causes me significant concern. The issue is reducing, but it is still the case that in some of our communities glamour is associated with the gangster—the person who derives an income from criminality. I worry that the more exposure those people get, the more antiheroes we may create in some of our vulnerable communities. I therefore have a series of concerns.
Flipping completely on the issue, I go back to the core position that the more information we can get into the public domain about how the judicial system operates and the process of trials, the better. However, there is a huge array of significant issues, some of which I have outlined, which I am sure that the minister will consider when she weighs up her personal views on what will of course be an independent judicial review of the role of the media in the justice system.
16:38
The basic principle is that someone is innocent until found guilty. Donald Findlay asked the Justice Committee:
“If someone is acquitted, why should they have their image blasted into every home by the television?”
He also said:
“The lives of people who are convicted or acquitted of serious criminal charges could be put at risk, because there are people out there who want to seek vengeance.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1781-2.]
I associate myself with those concerns.
I would also like to comment on the position of victims of miscarriages of justice. I have specific constituency experience of that from two cases in particular. At the times of the trials, there was significant media interest. A victim of a miscarriage of justice has a statutory right to appeal, and the appeal can again be subject to significant media interest. One day, with almost no support, the person is released from jail and told that they can walk free, yet they receive less support from society than someone who was guilty and has served their time.
Such people are a tiny minority, thankfully, but their individual human rights need to be protected as well. Are we saying that their images should be blasted across the television? If we allow that to happen, it could create danger as well as compounding the miscarriage of justice. I have seen at first hand how such people’s mental and emotional wellbeing is damaged by the lack of support. I wanted to put that on the record while we are discussing media exposure.
I want to say something about the vulnerability of witnesses. Detective Chief Superintendent Cuddihy said in his evidence to the committee:
“When the due process of law results in judicial proceedings, we must ensure that victims, witnesses and their families are protected from the fear of intimidation and influence—perceived or otherwise—and that they are free to give evidence without any undue pressure being applied to them that may result in the integrity of the evidence, the trial and justice being compromised.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1793.]
Again, I associate myself with that concern.
Without going into any details, as that would be inappropriate, I am convinced that I have witnessed intimidation of witnesses in a courtroom simply by the fact the accused was in the same courtroom—never mind what would happen if greater exposure was shone on witnesses in the schemes and communities from which they come. I have significant concerns in relation to that.
I have significant concerns about the concept of someone who willingly gives evidence being labelled a grass by a minority of people in some of our communities and how that plays out in those areas. We should be doing what we can to support people to give evidence rather than putting barriers in their path. I am concerned that, although we want to see as much transparency as possible in the judicial system, we might not meet the ends of justice for people who are vulnerable by shining more of a light on the system.
On the other side, there is the issue of conniving witnesses. Not all witnesses go to court to tell the truth. If someone agrees to be a witness, there could be a concern that they will play to the audience when giving evidence. The criminal defence solicitor Aamer Anwar stated in his written submission that potential safeguards will do
“little to tackle how the filming of witnesses will stop them embellishing their evidence or tailoring it, due to the fact that they will be judged by millions watching at home”.
Indeed, witnesses may follow the trial via whatever media platform in advance of taking to the stand. That is another concern of mine.
I am concerned about how things will play out in the reporting of serious and organised crime. I tend to think that those involved at the very top of serious and organised crime do not like light to be shone on their activities, as they can be quite secretive. However, their henchmen are not that secretive and have a swagger in some of our communities. At times, they have been quite impudent when they have been on the witness stand or, indeed, been the accused. The idea of giving more exposure to that behaviour causes me significant concern. The issue is reducing, but it is still the case that in some of our communities glamour is associated with the gangster—the person who derives an income from criminality. I worry that the more exposure those people get, the more antiheroes we may create in some of our vulnerable communities. I therefore have a series of concerns.
Flipping completely on the issue, I go back to the core position that the more information we can get into the public domain about how the judicial system operates and the process of trials, the better. However, there is a huge array of significant issues, some of which I have outlined, which I am sure that the minister will consider when she weighs up her personal views on what will of course be an independent judicial review of the role of the media in the justice system.
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In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04505, in the name of Christine Grahame, on the role of the media in criminal trials. I call Christine Gr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
I certainly hope that I do not use 13 minutes, Presiding Officer.I am pleased to open this debate on the role of the media in criminal trials on behalf of th...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham)
SNP
The Justice Committee has chosen an important and topical issue for debate. I look forward to hearing the views of all members, and I have no doubt that thos...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Members will know that it is not only in this place that the relationship of the media with the criminal justice system is under scrutiny. Lord Justice Leves...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
Does the member think that there might be a balancing act performed by television in court, given the uncensored information that can come out of court throu...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I will come on to the new media, but I completely accept Margo MacDonald’s point that the two issues are related and that any inquiry that the Justice Commit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Macdonald, please start to conclude.
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I conclude by referring to the new media issue that was raised by Margo MacDonald. As has been said, those who tweet, text or blog can reveal unreported info...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. There is an important matter that needs to be addressed. I apologise for interrupting the debate. Earlier today, the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Rennie, as you will know, the Presiding Officers are not responsible for the veracity of the statements of members of Parliament. However, you have raised...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
We welcome today’s opportunity to consider the role of the media in the criminal justice system. Scotland’s criminal justice system does not exist in a vacuu...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Does the member agree that there is a potential hazard in the case of someone accused of behaving inappropriately towards children who is filmed in court, bu...
John Lamont
Con
I acknowledge that concerns exist, but many such arguments are not against the use of cameras in court proceedings per se, although they might be arguments a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
As a result of interruption, the debate is very tight for time. Although members have six minutes for speeches, shorter speeches would be appreciated and mig...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I will try to be as speedy as I can be, to allow everyone to speak.At the Justice Committee meeting, one witness—Iain McKie—made the good point that“we canno...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The digital era offers a severe challenge to the courts with regard to how they administer justice in the modern environment. There is no doubt in my mind th...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
I apologise for my question looping back a bit, but I wanted to get in before the member progresses his argument much further. Is there the possibility of ha...
Graeme Pearson
Lab
I am sure that such an intervention, once televised, would create a great deal of conflict and difficulty for courts in deciding such a challenge.I encourage...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP)
SNP
I refer to my register of interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates.The televising of court proceedings has not been reviewed since the then Lord Pre...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
On the issue that the member just raised about policing the internet, was that not debated during the passage of the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Thre...
Roderick Campbell
SNP
There was certainly a reference to it, but I do not think that it was a substantial part of the debate on the bill. However, that debate is now history and w...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I draw attention to the register of members’ interests and the information that I am a columnist with the Daily Record.I welcome the opportunity to participa...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
That is an intriguing point. Obviously, the member was not in favour of witnesses blogging afterwards and giving a highly partisan account, but does not ever...
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Yes, absolutely—after the trial. I guess that I was talking about people blogging from the court and giving partial reports of what was happening in court th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I would be grateful if you would close, please.
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Thank you.The Scottish Court Service already has stenographers who compile verbatim transcripts of trials, but it is difficult for members of the public to g...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When the Contempt of Court Act 1981 came into force, people received news through the print and broadcast media. At that time, the print and broadcast media ...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
SNP
This is an incredibly interesting subject and there have been some excellent speeches from members.Over the years, we have trusted the integrity of journalis...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I will say a little about the role of the accused in the process. I do not think that members have said much about that in discussing television exposure.The...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
It is clear from this afternoon’s debate that the issue of how the media interact with criminal trials is extremely complex. Any liberal society must walk a ...