Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 October 2012
23 Oct 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Role of the Media in Criminal Trials
I will try to be as speedy as I can be, to allow everyone to speak.
At the Justice Committee meeting, one witness—Iain McKie—made the good point that
“we cannot put the genie back in the bottle”.—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1775.]
He could very well be right. Of course, we cannot stop—and, perhaps importantly, some people would not want to stop—the growth of certain media and people’s access to it.
It is important to debate the role of the media in the justice system in order to listen to both sides of the argument, and I hope that we can move towards a consensus on the best way forward. Some argue that we need to look more closely at the juror system and even suggest that we should explore the possibility of having professional jurors. I take on board the minister’s comments on jurors, but I would like to touch on that aspect. The idea of professional jurors involves jurors being trained to understand the complexities of some cases and have expert knowledge, or being given a better understanding of the media and social media in particular.
A recent—unintended—case of expert jurors in America springs to mind. In a patent dispute between two very well-known companies over the use of software, one juror was revealed to have expert knowledge of software. In his words, he was quickly able to see that copyright had been infringed. In an interview after the trial, he said that he was able to inform the other jurors of his knowledge, and the reasons for his decisions helped the jury to reach a verdict much more quickly than it might have done without him.
In that case, having a juror with expert knowledge of a complex issue seems to have helped in reaching a verdict, but I am still to be convinced that moving towards a system in which all jurors are professionally appointed is the way to go. The professionalisation of the jury service could raise a number of questions about its impartiality, which is of serious concern, although I take on board what the minister said.
We all know that our jury system is intended to represent a broad section of society and to involve people of many differing backgrounds, professions and opinions, who can reach some form of consensus. However, I admit that, given the complexity of some criminal trials, many jurors may feel somewhat overwhelmed—other members have mentioned that. In such cases, it would be a good idea to explore the possibility of offering impartial expert advice on the issue and on points of law that are being discussed.
On broadcasting criminal trials, I have sympathy with the idea of having wider access, transparency and therefore oversight of trials in general, but it is important for any move towards more coverage to ensure that the principle of protection for the victims and the accused is paramount. Many witnesses expressed concern to the Justice Committee about the need to protect victims and witnesses from any undue stress as a result of the media’s role. Going to court can be a difficult experience for many, as they have to relive the crime that was perpetrated against them and face the accused. That can be traumatic, as Lewis Macdonald said.
As was mentioned in the committee’s evidence session, it is true that many witnesses come forward reluctantly. However, if they did not come forward in the first place, we might not get a conviction for many crimes, especially those of a violent or sexual nature. That issue is of paramount importance in informing any proposals.
Conversely, it is also important to protect those who are accused. Many people have mentioned Aamer Anwar. In his evidence, he noted that it is important to protect the rights of the accused who are subsequently acquitted. I agree that that is important. We have all read about cases—some have been mentioned—in which the police have released the name and details of their suspect, only for that to be the wrong person. In the time that it has taken for the mistake to be corrected, the media have seized on that information and, in the process of reporting, put the suspect and their family under considerable stress.
That can also be the case with trials, which are highly publicised. Even if the accused is acquitted, they may find themselves having to live with the public perception that they are somehow guilty by association for many years to come.
If reform is needed—and I say “if”—it must be done as carefully as possible to ensure that people have the right to a fair trial by their peers and that those who are involved in the criminal trial are protected at all times.
The genie cannot be put back in the bottle, but—as in many stories involving genies—we must be very careful about how we deal with the issue once the genie is out of the bottle.
16:00
At the Justice Committee meeting, one witness—Iain McKie—made the good point that
“we cannot put the genie back in the bottle”.—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 2 October 2012; c 1775.]
He could very well be right. Of course, we cannot stop—and, perhaps importantly, some people would not want to stop—the growth of certain media and people’s access to it.
It is important to debate the role of the media in the justice system in order to listen to both sides of the argument, and I hope that we can move towards a consensus on the best way forward. Some argue that we need to look more closely at the juror system and even suggest that we should explore the possibility of having professional jurors. I take on board the minister’s comments on jurors, but I would like to touch on that aspect. The idea of professional jurors involves jurors being trained to understand the complexities of some cases and have expert knowledge, or being given a better understanding of the media and social media in particular.
A recent—unintended—case of expert jurors in America springs to mind. In a patent dispute between two very well-known companies over the use of software, one juror was revealed to have expert knowledge of software. In his words, he was quickly able to see that copyright had been infringed. In an interview after the trial, he said that he was able to inform the other jurors of his knowledge, and the reasons for his decisions helped the jury to reach a verdict much more quickly than it might have done without him.
In that case, having a juror with expert knowledge of a complex issue seems to have helped in reaching a verdict, but I am still to be convinced that moving towards a system in which all jurors are professionally appointed is the way to go. The professionalisation of the jury service could raise a number of questions about its impartiality, which is of serious concern, although I take on board what the minister said.
We all know that our jury system is intended to represent a broad section of society and to involve people of many differing backgrounds, professions and opinions, who can reach some form of consensus. However, I admit that, given the complexity of some criminal trials, many jurors may feel somewhat overwhelmed—other members have mentioned that. In such cases, it would be a good idea to explore the possibility of offering impartial expert advice on the issue and on points of law that are being discussed.
On broadcasting criminal trials, I have sympathy with the idea of having wider access, transparency and therefore oversight of trials in general, but it is important for any move towards more coverage to ensure that the principle of protection for the victims and the accused is paramount. Many witnesses expressed concern to the Justice Committee about the need to protect victims and witnesses from any undue stress as a result of the media’s role. Going to court can be a difficult experience for many, as they have to relive the crime that was perpetrated against them and face the accused. That can be traumatic, as Lewis Macdonald said.
As was mentioned in the committee’s evidence session, it is true that many witnesses come forward reluctantly. However, if they did not come forward in the first place, we might not get a conviction for many crimes, especially those of a violent or sexual nature. That issue is of paramount importance in informing any proposals.
Conversely, it is also important to protect those who are accused. Many people have mentioned Aamer Anwar. In his evidence, he noted that it is important to protect the rights of the accused who are subsequently acquitted. I agree that that is important. We have all read about cases—some have been mentioned—in which the police have released the name and details of their suspect, only for that to be the wrong person. In the time that it has taken for the mistake to be corrected, the media have seized on that information and, in the process of reporting, put the suspect and their family under considerable stress.
That can also be the case with trials, which are highly publicised. Even if the accused is acquitted, they may find themselves having to live with the public perception that they are somehow guilty by association for many years to come.
If reform is needed—and I say “if”—it must be done as carefully as possible to ensure that people have the right to a fair trial by their peers and that those who are involved in the criminal trial are protected at all times.
The genie cannot be put back in the bottle, but—as in many stories involving genies—we must be very careful about how we deal with the issue once the genie is out of the bottle.
16:00
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04505, in the name of Christine Grahame, on the role of the media in criminal trials. I call Christine Gr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
I certainly hope that I do not use 13 minutes, Presiding Officer.I am pleased to open this debate on the role of the media in criminal trials on behalf of th...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham)
SNP
The Justice Committee has chosen an important and topical issue for debate. I look forward to hearing the views of all members, and I have no doubt that thos...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Members will know that it is not only in this place that the relationship of the media with the criminal justice system is under scrutiny. Lord Justice Leves...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
Does the member think that there might be a balancing act performed by television in court, given the uncensored information that can come out of court throu...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I will come on to the new media, but I completely accept Margo MacDonald’s point that the two issues are related and that any inquiry that the Justice Commit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Macdonald, please start to conclude.
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I conclude by referring to the new media issue that was raised by Margo MacDonald. As has been said, those who tweet, text or blog can reveal unreported info...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. There is an important matter that needs to be addressed. I apologise for interrupting the debate. Earlier today, the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Rennie, as you will know, the Presiding Officers are not responsible for the veracity of the statements of members of Parliament. However, you have raised...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
We welcome today’s opportunity to consider the role of the media in the criminal justice system. Scotland’s criminal justice system does not exist in a vacuu...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Does the member agree that there is a potential hazard in the case of someone accused of behaving inappropriately towards children who is filmed in court, bu...
John Lamont
Con
I acknowledge that concerns exist, but many such arguments are not against the use of cameras in court proceedings per se, although they might be arguments a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
As a result of interruption, the debate is very tight for time. Although members have six minutes for speeches, shorter speeches would be appreciated and mig...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I will try to be as speedy as I can be, to allow everyone to speak.At the Justice Committee meeting, one witness—Iain McKie—made the good point that“we canno...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The digital era offers a severe challenge to the courts with regard to how they administer justice in the modern environment. There is no doubt in my mind th...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
I apologise for my question looping back a bit, but I wanted to get in before the member progresses his argument much further. Is there the possibility of ha...
Graeme Pearson
Lab
I am sure that such an intervention, once televised, would create a great deal of conflict and difficulty for courts in deciding such a challenge.I encourage...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP)
SNP
I refer to my register of interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates.The televising of court proceedings has not been reviewed since the then Lord Pre...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
On the issue that the member just raised about policing the internet, was that not debated during the passage of the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Thre...
Roderick Campbell
SNP
There was certainly a reference to it, but I do not think that it was a substantial part of the debate on the bill. However, that debate is now history and w...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I draw attention to the register of members’ interests and the information that I am a columnist with the Daily Record.I welcome the opportunity to participa...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
That is an intriguing point. Obviously, the member was not in favour of witnesses blogging afterwards and giving a highly partisan account, but does not ever...
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Yes, absolutely—after the trial. I guess that I was talking about people blogging from the court and giving partial reports of what was happening in court th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I would be grateful if you would close, please.
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Thank you.The Scottish Court Service already has stenographers who compile verbatim transcripts of trials, but it is difficult for members of the public to g...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When the Contempt of Court Act 1981 came into force, people received news through the print and broadcast media. At that time, the print and broadcast media ...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
SNP
This is an incredibly interesting subject and there have been some excellent speeches from members.Over the years, we have trusted the integrity of journalis...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I will say a little about the role of the accused in the process. I do not think that members have said much about that in discussing television exposure.The...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
It is clear from this afternoon’s debate that the issue of how the media interact with criminal trials is extremely complex. Any liberal society must walk a ...