Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 October 2012
23 Oct 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Role of the Media in Criminal Trials
The Justice Committee has chosen an important and topical issue for debate. I look forward to hearing the views of all members, and I have no doubt that those will be wide ranging, given the complexities involved in how the media and our courts should appropriately interact. This is very much about striking the right balance. We need an open and transparent court system, but one that also ensures a fair trial and is sensitive to all those involved.
The issues bring into focus the way dearly held rights and freedoms act on one another. Members will be familiar with many of the almost universally accepted propositions involved: the press should be free; individuals have a right to express their own opinion; accused persons are innocent until proven guilty; accused persons should have a fair public trial, free from prejudice; and victims and witnesses should be protected from threats and adverse comment. We can immediately see how those basic propositions may impact negatively on one another. Balancing them will always be difficult, but necessary.
At the outset, I point out that almost all our trial proceedings take place in open court where the public can sit and watch. The issue is whether the communication of trials can be modernised while the rights of all parties, including the right of suspects to a fair trial, are respected.
I will mention some of the issues that have been raised. A major one is the televising of court proceedings. As Christine Grahame said, Lord Hope issued directions in 1992, which were supplemented in January 2012, that allowed television cameras in courts in Scotland with the permission of the courts and the parties involved. The Lord President announced last week that he will review that policy. I have utmost confidence in him and in judicial office-holders to do that—the judiciary are best placed to consider when TV cameras should be allowed in court while maintaining an open and fair court system. I look forward to seeing the outcome of the review.
Applications are rare. In recent years there have been 10 applications, of which seven were granted. The first broadcasts were for the BBC2 series “The Trial” in 1994. Some members may remember that—I grant that many will not.
The televising of sentencing decisions in some high-profile cases, such as that of David Gilroy for the murder of Suzanne Pilley, has been mentioned. I welcome the filming of sentencing decisions in which there is a high, justified public interest—when the courts allow it. There are likely to be fewer issues to consider with the televising of sentencing decisions as opposed to the televising of the trial itself. For example, the difficult issues surrounding the filming of witnesses are not relevant in the context of sentencing. However, it is right and appropriate that the Lord President and the courts decide on those matters, in the light of each individual case.
The use of live text-based communications from court is another issue that has arisen recently. Again, there have been relatively few applications: three have been successful to date, one has been turned down and there are no applications outstanding. Again, the decision rests—rightly—with the presiding judge. The judicial council for Scotland is considering producing a practice note on the matter. As some members will know, as one of the members in the chamber with an active Twitter account, I am conscious not only of the attractions of using that medium to disclose information coming out of a court, but of the dangers of using that medium. With comments confined to the small number of characters that are allowed, it is a little challenging to see how justice could be done to a court trial, although, no doubt, some people would like to try.
On the media’s reproduction of materials that relate to trials, a joint protocol is in place between the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service on working with the media. That sets out information that can be provided at various stages of a criminal investigation and prosecution. Since work with the media is a day-to-day operational matter for those bodies, that is not an area in which the Scottish Government would—or should—interfere.
On other issues, there has been some concern that Scotland’s interpretation of contempt of court legislation is more restrictive than in England. The existence of the law of contempt of court is important. Our court system deserves to be treated with the utmost respect. I acknowledge the responsible approach by the Scottish media—newspapers and broadcasters—to reporting criminal cases and, in particular, to protecting the anonymity of victims of sexual offences, even though that is not, in Scotland, a statutory requirement. Our law on contempt of court contributes to that responsible culture. I certainly want the position of victims to be at the centre of our considerations, rather than at the margins. The discussion should not therefore be just a technical one about the pros and cons; it should be about the victims, first and foremost
Points have been raised about the possibility of jurors doing independent net-based research, and whether there should be professional jurors who would not need to be instructed on appropriate behaviour. The Government carried out a major consultation exercise on juries in 2008. The responses clearly established the value put on independent, randomly chosen representatives of society applying their common sense to cases of all descriptions. The Government accepts that and strongly agrees with it. In response, we widened the juror pool by abolishing age limits. Using the wisdom and experience of older members of society is extremely important.
Jurors are given guidance on how they should conduct themselves, which includes a clear warning that they should make their decisions only on the evidence that is presented to them.
All those examples show that there is a balancing act to be performed, in which politicians should tread particularly carefully. That was one of the considerations that led us to establish, clearly and beyond doubt, the independence of the judiciary and the courts in the Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008, which establishes the Lord President’s position at the apex of an independent court system. That is an arrangement in which we can have great confidence. We can all agree that Lord Hamilton, to whom the act gave those responsibilities in 2008, is a man of the utmost skill and integrity who discharged his responsibilities impeccably and that, in Lord Gill, he has a worthy successor.
The propositions that I set out at the beginning of my speech must be applied carefully. It is difficult to provide in statute for all situations that might arise. It is not always helpful to set in legislation long, complicated clauses or endless exceptions that make the law difficult to understand. Again, it is necessary in legislation, as elsewhere, to strike a balance.
The interaction of my original propositions is best decided by people of the highest integrity applying their training and intellect to the specific circumstances before them, which will always be different. One size will not fit all. The Government is confident that our courts are run by people who have precisely those essential capacities. That is why we have confidence in our system of independent courts. We believe that the judiciary are best placed to make decisions on how to balance the rights of the media with an open and fair court system. I am confident that they will continue to do so in the future against the background of the rapidly changing challenges that are posed by this digital age.
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The issues bring into focus the way dearly held rights and freedoms act on one another. Members will be familiar with many of the almost universally accepted propositions involved: the press should be free; individuals have a right to express their own opinion; accused persons are innocent until proven guilty; accused persons should have a fair public trial, free from prejudice; and victims and witnesses should be protected from threats and adverse comment. We can immediately see how those basic propositions may impact negatively on one another. Balancing them will always be difficult, but necessary.
At the outset, I point out that almost all our trial proceedings take place in open court where the public can sit and watch. The issue is whether the communication of trials can be modernised while the rights of all parties, including the right of suspects to a fair trial, are respected.
I will mention some of the issues that have been raised. A major one is the televising of court proceedings. As Christine Grahame said, Lord Hope issued directions in 1992, which were supplemented in January 2012, that allowed television cameras in courts in Scotland with the permission of the courts and the parties involved. The Lord President announced last week that he will review that policy. I have utmost confidence in him and in judicial office-holders to do that—the judiciary are best placed to consider when TV cameras should be allowed in court while maintaining an open and fair court system. I look forward to seeing the outcome of the review.
Applications are rare. In recent years there have been 10 applications, of which seven were granted. The first broadcasts were for the BBC2 series “The Trial” in 1994. Some members may remember that—I grant that many will not.
The televising of sentencing decisions in some high-profile cases, such as that of David Gilroy for the murder of Suzanne Pilley, has been mentioned. I welcome the filming of sentencing decisions in which there is a high, justified public interest—when the courts allow it. There are likely to be fewer issues to consider with the televising of sentencing decisions as opposed to the televising of the trial itself. For example, the difficult issues surrounding the filming of witnesses are not relevant in the context of sentencing. However, it is right and appropriate that the Lord President and the courts decide on those matters, in the light of each individual case.
The use of live text-based communications from court is another issue that has arisen recently. Again, there have been relatively few applications: three have been successful to date, one has been turned down and there are no applications outstanding. Again, the decision rests—rightly—with the presiding judge. The judicial council for Scotland is considering producing a practice note on the matter. As some members will know, as one of the members in the chamber with an active Twitter account, I am conscious not only of the attractions of using that medium to disclose information coming out of a court, but of the dangers of using that medium. With comments confined to the small number of characters that are allowed, it is a little challenging to see how justice could be done to a court trial, although, no doubt, some people would like to try.
On the media’s reproduction of materials that relate to trials, a joint protocol is in place between the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service on working with the media. That sets out information that can be provided at various stages of a criminal investigation and prosecution. Since work with the media is a day-to-day operational matter for those bodies, that is not an area in which the Scottish Government would—or should—interfere.
On other issues, there has been some concern that Scotland’s interpretation of contempt of court legislation is more restrictive than in England. The existence of the law of contempt of court is important. Our court system deserves to be treated with the utmost respect. I acknowledge the responsible approach by the Scottish media—newspapers and broadcasters—to reporting criminal cases and, in particular, to protecting the anonymity of victims of sexual offences, even though that is not, in Scotland, a statutory requirement. Our law on contempt of court contributes to that responsible culture. I certainly want the position of victims to be at the centre of our considerations, rather than at the margins. The discussion should not therefore be just a technical one about the pros and cons; it should be about the victims, first and foremost
Points have been raised about the possibility of jurors doing independent net-based research, and whether there should be professional jurors who would not need to be instructed on appropriate behaviour. The Government carried out a major consultation exercise on juries in 2008. The responses clearly established the value put on independent, randomly chosen representatives of society applying their common sense to cases of all descriptions. The Government accepts that and strongly agrees with it. In response, we widened the juror pool by abolishing age limits. Using the wisdom and experience of older members of society is extremely important.
Jurors are given guidance on how they should conduct themselves, which includes a clear warning that they should make their decisions only on the evidence that is presented to them.
All those examples show that there is a balancing act to be performed, in which politicians should tread particularly carefully. That was one of the considerations that led us to establish, clearly and beyond doubt, the independence of the judiciary and the courts in the Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008, which establishes the Lord President’s position at the apex of an independent court system. That is an arrangement in which we can have great confidence. We can all agree that Lord Hamilton, to whom the act gave those responsibilities in 2008, is a man of the utmost skill and integrity who discharged his responsibilities impeccably and that, in Lord Gill, he has a worthy successor.
The propositions that I set out at the beginning of my speech must be applied carefully. It is difficult to provide in statute for all situations that might arise. It is not always helpful to set in legislation long, complicated clauses or endless exceptions that make the law difficult to understand. Again, it is necessary in legislation, as elsewhere, to strike a balance.
The interaction of my original propositions is best decided by people of the highest integrity applying their training and intellect to the specific circumstances before them, which will always be different. One size will not fit all. The Government is confident that our courts are run by people who have precisely those essential capacities. That is why we have confidence in our system of independent courts. We believe that the judiciary are best placed to make decisions on how to balance the rights of the media with an open and fair court system. I am confident that they will continue to do so in the future against the background of the rapidly changing challenges that are posed by this digital age.
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In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04505, in the name of Christine Grahame, on the role of the media in criminal trials. I call Christine Gr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
I certainly hope that I do not use 13 minutes, Presiding Officer.I am pleased to open this debate on the role of the media in criminal trials on behalf of th...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Roseanna Cunningham)
SNP
The Justice Committee has chosen an important and topical issue for debate. I look forward to hearing the views of all members, and I have no doubt that thos...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Members will know that it is not only in this place that the relationship of the media with the criminal justice system is under scrutiny. Lord Justice Leves...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
Does the member think that there might be a balancing act performed by television in court, given the uncensored information that can come out of court throu...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I will come on to the new media, but I completely accept Margo MacDonald’s point that the two issues are related and that any inquiry that the Justice Commit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Macdonald, please start to conclude.
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
I conclude by referring to the new media issue that was raised by Margo MacDonald. As has been said, those who tweet, text or blog can reveal unreported info...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. There is an important matter that needs to be addressed. I apologise for interrupting the debate. Earlier today, the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Rennie, as you will know, the Presiding Officers are not responsible for the veracity of the statements of members of Parliament. However, you have raised...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
We welcome today’s opportunity to consider the role of the media in the criminal justice system. Scotland’s criminal justice system does not exist in a vacuu...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
Does the member agree that there is a potential hazard in the case of someone accused of behaving inappropriately towards children who is filmed in court, bu...
John Lamont
Con
I acknowledge that concerns exist, but many such arguments are not against the use of cameras in court proceedings per se, although they might be arguments a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
As a result of interruption, the debate is very tight for time. Although members have six minutes for speeches, shorter speeches would be appreciated and mig...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I will try to be as speedy as I can be, to allow everyone to speak.At the Justice Committee meeting, one witness—Iain McKie—made the good point that“we canno...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The digital era offers a severe challenge to the courts with regard to how they administer justice in the modern environment. There is no doubt in my mind th...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
I apologise for my question looping back a bit, but I wanted to get in before the member progresses his argument much further. Is there the possibility of ha...
Graeme Pearson
Lab
I am sure that such an intervention, once televised, would create a great deal of conflict and difficulty for courts in deciding such a challenge.I encourage...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP)
SNP
I refer to my register of interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates.The televising of court proceedings has not been reviewed since the then Lord Pre...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
On the issue that the member just raised about policing the internet, was that not debated during the passage of the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Thre...
Roderick Campbell
SNP
There was certainly a reference to it, but I do not think that it was a substantial part of the debate on the bill. However, that debate is now history and w...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I draw attention to the register of members’ interests and the information that I am a columnist with the Daily Record.I welcome the opportunity to participa...
Margo MacDonald
Ind
That is an intriguing point. Obviously, the member was not in favour of witnesses blogging afterwards and giving a highly partisan account, but does not ever...
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Yes, absolutely—after the trial. I guess that I was talking about people blogging from the court and giving partial reports of what was happening in court th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I would be grateful if you would close, please.
Joan McAlpine
SNP
Thank you.The Scottish Court Service already has stenographers who compile verbatim transcripts of trials, but it is difficult for members of the public to g...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When the Contempt of Court Act 1981 came into force, people received news through the print and broadcast media. At that time, the print and broadcast media ...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP)
SNP
This is an incredibly interesting subject and there have been some excellent speeches from members.Over the years, we have trusted the integrity of journalis...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I will say a little about the role of the accused in the process. I do not think that members have said much about that in discussing television exposure.The...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
It is clear from this afternoon’s debate that the issue of how the media interact with criminal trials is extremely complex. Any liberal society must walk a ...