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Meeting of the Parliament 06 September 2012

06 Sep 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Mackay, Derek SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV
I am pleased to open today’s debate on the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill. First, I welcome Margaret Burgess as minister designate for welfare and housing and commend Keith Brown on his contribution to the housing portfolio.

The bill will contribute to measures to reduce the number of empty properties—whether they be homes or shops or other commercial properties—so that we can make best use of existing buildings and minimise the number of properties that fall into disrepair and become a blight on our communities.

I thank the Local Government and Regeneration Committee, the Finance Committee and the Subordinate Legislation Committee for their scrutiny of the bill so far.

I was pleased to see in the stage 1 report of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee that there is much common ground between the Scottish Government and the Parliament on the importance of tackling empty properties. I am grateful to the committee for supporting the general principles of the bill.

Keith Brown—then Minister for Housing and Transport—and I have looked carefully at the recommendations that were made in the stage 1 report. I will outline a number of actions that are proposed to respond to the issues that were raised. Of course, I will write to the committee to respond to all its recommendations. Indeed, this debate will further contribute to the on-going engagement that I have committed to within and outwith this chamber.

I have met various organisations to hear their issues and consider how our proposals can be refined and improved. The Scottish Government has carefully listened to the experience of stakeholders, MSPs and councils.

We welcome the Local Government and Regeneration Committee’s support for our commitment to tackling empty homes. We want there to be a reduction in the 25,000 homes that are sitting empty long-term, while around 140,000 families are on waiting lists for a social rented home. We agree that giving councils the flexibility to increase council tax charges for certain long-term empty homes is a useful additional discretionary measure for the toolbox of functions that councils can deploy to help, encourage or, where needed, push owners not to leave their homes lying empty while there is such need.

We also agree that council tax is not the only answer. We have been funding the empty homes partnership to provide support to councils in tackling empty homes. We are also now part-funding three empty homes officers on a pilot basis, shared across seven councils. We are pleased to say that that is now starting to pay off as the number of councils that are actively working to tackle empty homes is increasing each year.

Although advice and support from a council can be enough in many cases, we also recognise that some owners need financial help to bring their homes up to standard. That is why we have doubled the amount that is available through the empty homes loan fund to £4 million. We will help make at least 160 extra empty homes available as affordable housing in addition to the existing £1.75 million of innovative empty homes projects that we are already supporting.

In relation to the increase, we have also taken on board comments about the need for clarity and the avoidance of complexity in relation to the types of empty home owners who deserve special treatment so that they are excluded from any council tax increase. That is why we propose to focus the exceptions on only those who are actively trying to bring their homes back into use, either for sale or for let.

We are consulting on that, and on other aspects of the draft regulations, which flesh out the details of how any council tax increase would operate.

We plan to amend the bill at stage 2 in response to the stage 1 recommendations as they relate to unoccupied homes. We intend to lodge an amendment that will increase from £200 to £500 the maximum level of penalty charge that a council can charge an owner who fails to provide information on whether their home is unoccupied. As the committee suggested, that should help to deter owners from deliberately avoiding providing information or from providing false information. We will also lodge an amendment that will limit in the bill the maximum amount of council tax increase to 100 per cent of the applicable standard rate, rather than just place that restriction in regulations. That is a response to the concerns that the Subordinate Legislation Committee raised about the potential for future regulations to allow for higher increases.

We welcome the committee’s general support for the proposals on business rates that will allow us to introduce regulations to reduce the level of empty property relief for commercial properties that have been empty for more than three months. I continue to talk to stakeholders about the provisions and again state that we will return to the Parliament with the details of the regulations should the bill be passed.

An important point is that the bill makes no change to empty property relief as it stands; rather, the bill creates an enabling power to decrease or, indeed, increase the rates discounts through regulations. That is no different from the ability that the Government already has to change through regulations many rates reliefs, such as the small business bonus scheme or the United Kingdom’s first and only renewable energy relief. I emphasise again that we remain flexible in our considerations. Yes, we must make savings, as a consequence of deep United Kingdom’s Government cuts, but we aim to ensure that the measure acts as an incentive to bring empty properties back into use. The policy will therefore be supported by our efforts on regeneration and our imminent town centre review.

Opposition for its own sake is no substitute for constructive suggestions to make the bill more effective. That is why the stakeholder engagement has been so important. I welcome the encouragement from Mark McDonald MSP to look at the incentivisation scheme in Northern Ireland, which provides relief to ratepayers after they fill empty properties. That could potentially be a further incentivisation as part of the package. I can confirm that we are considering how such a scheme could operate in Scotland and, if it is supported, how it could form a stage 2 amendment.

Our stated intention is to vary, from April 2013, the discount that empty properties receive after the first three months from 50 to 10 per cent. I reiterate that, as a result of our learning from experiences elsewhere, industrial and listed properties will continue to receive 100 per cent discount for the duration for which they are empty. In comparison to the council tax provisions, which could affect about 25,000 home owners and under which, for good reason, rates across the country will be potentially variable, the changes to empty property relief will affect a much smaller number of property owners and will be consistent across Scotland. Therefore, in view of that and of the scale of the savings that are involved, it was decided that it would be disproportionate to conduct a business and regulatory impact assessment. Modest but necessary savings will come from the policy—it will be £18 million a year from 2013-14 compared to a forecast business rates income of nearly £2.5 billion.

The package of rates relief will remain the most generous in the United Kingdom. Indeed, the current cost of empty property rates relief is £757 million over the five-year revaluation period. That is more than the sum involved in the popular and effective small business bonus scheme, which has made such a difference in these difficult times. Overall rates relief per year now exceeds £0.5 billion. To ensure that the relief is properly focused on supporting sustainable economic growth, we will shortly launch a consultation on the rates relief system.

The Finance Committee queried the impact on the public sector. By providing estimates, we have shown that the cost to the public sector is relatively minor. The benefit to local government services is that all non-domestic rates are of course passed back to local government for the funding of local public services.

We welcome the support in the Local Government and Regeneration Committee’s stage 1 report for our plans to abolish the housing support grant. The grant has become an anomaly since the introduction of the prudential borrowing regime, which requires councils to ensure that they borrow funds only if they are confident that they can pay them back. Therefore it must be councils’ responsibility to ensure that they can balance their housing revenue accounts each year. That will allow us to make better use of our housing funding by focusing on only key priorities in an equitable way, rather than simply servicing councils’ interest on historical debts.

Despite that, we recognise that Shetland Islands Council has continuing high levels of housing debt due to having borrowed significant amounts over many years from the council’s harbour fund. Keith Brown, as Minister for Housing and Transport, met the new leader of the council back in July and explained that the £15 million in funding being requested by the council was not a realistic scenario. We expect the council, as recommended, to take a hard look at its housing service to ensure sustainability, just as all other local authorities are required to do.

I too have met Shetland Islands Council, and officials are in discussion about easing the affordable housing situation on the islands. I believe that there is a desire to tackle the challenges that were inherited by the new council administration.

I commit to further engagement. I hope that the Parliament considers our amendments at stage 2 and in essence supports these key measures to bring back into use the empty properties that blight our communities—domestic and non-domestic.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Bill.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
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The Minister for Local Government and Planning (Derek Mackay) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Kevin Stewart, who is speaking on behalf of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. Mr Stewart, you have around 10 minutes.14:41
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
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Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Derek Mackay SNP
I thank the member for taking an intervention; I understand that we have some time in hand.Rather than do a few weeks’ short-term work on a consultation abou...
Sarah Boyack Lab
My problem is that the minister has not formally reported those conversations to us. He has given us a selection of the changes that he intends to make at st...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Boyack give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
No—I want to get on.The Welsh Assembly Government looked at the evidence on the impact of the non-domestic rates provisions that came into play in England an...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
I need to make progress.The committee found it surprising that there had been no attempt to estimate the number of commercial properties that will be brought...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Boyack give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
No, I need to make progress.Highland Council expressed concerns about absentee landlords, the volatility of the commercial property market and the poor condi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I clarify that we have time for interventions if members wish to take them, but whether they do is entirely up to them.15:01
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate the Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. The bill’s provisions fall into thre...
Derek Mackay SNP
It is a fair comment to say that some information on the projections of the costs to the public sector was not provided to the Finance Committee, but that wa...
Margaret Mitchell Con
That is simply indicative of what a sloppy piece of work it was. In the financial memorandum, there was mention of only 12 Government buildings and the fact ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Speak through the chair, please.
Margaret Mitchell Con
The minister did not seem to realise that it would impact on the rest of the public sector, Presiding Officer. The Government has a majority on all committee...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Mitchell give way?
Margaret Mitchell Con
If the member does not mind, I will make some progress, because I am already almost halfway through my time.There was no formal consultation on the non-domes...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I am almost five minutes in, so it depends on how long the Presiding Officer is willing to give me. There will be ample opportunity for the minister to come ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can give you the time back if you wish to take interventions, but it is entirely up to you.
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will wait until there is an intervention on a more substantial point.Furthermore, the financial memorandum projected an £18 million saving, which is totall...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member give way?
Margaret Mitchell Con
Not just now, thank you.The underlying reason for empty commercial properties is the lack of demand and the current economic climate, as those witnesses who ...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Margaret Mitchell Con
That approach adversely impacts on regeneration, inward investment and economic growth.
Mark McDonald SNP
Will the member give way?