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Meeting of the Parliament 14 June 2012

14 Jun 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
PIP Silicone Breast Implants
The review is dealing specifically with the issues that arise from the PIP implant matter, and we should give the review group the opportunity to consider that matter in detail. As a result of that review, other areas of cosmetic surgery and other aspects of healthcare may be identified that have to be addressed, but we must allow the review to take place so that we can see what its findings are and consider whether any further action is required.

I have set out the context of regulation in the UK, in which we operate. I also want to consider NHS Scotland’s response and address the request for a Scottish public inquiry. Although the initial indications were that NHS Scotland had not used PIP silicone implants, NHS Lothian subsequently identified one patient who had been given PIP implants. That patient was offered and received from the board an appropriate clinical care package to address her concerns.

As a Government, we have been very clear that we expect private healthcare providers to offer their patients clinically appropriate packages of care, and we believe that they have an ethical responsibility to do so. NHS Scotland is committed to supporting all women whose private healthcare provider is unable or unwilling to provide appropriate care or who places unreasonable conditions on women in providing care.

The approach that NHS Scotland has taken is appropriate and is in line with the longstanding mechanism in our NHS on the provision of cosmetic surgery. Members will be aware that NHS Scotland does not provide cosmetic surgery on a routine basis. That is well established in the NHS’s published criteria.

When the Deputy First Minister met the PIP implant Scotland campaign last week, she made clear her view that, on the basis of the information that was available to her at that point, she was not convinced that a case has been made for a Scottish public inquiry. She made clear that other options are open that would help to reassure women in Scotland. That includes continuing to work with the campaign group here in Scotland.

I hope that members are assured that the Scottish Government takes the matter seriously and is working with the appropriate bodies to ensure that provisions are in place to prevent this type of thing from happening again. We continue to be committed to working with the PIP implant Scotland campaign and to addressing concerns and issues that the group raises, which we will pursue with the Department of Health and the MHRA, as appropriate.

We are also committed to ensuring that we consider the recommendations that come from the two further reviews and their implications for the NHS here in Scotland. We will consider where it is appropriate to take action in Scotland to address the concerns that are raised.

I move amendment S4M-03294.1, to leave out from first “further notes” to end and insert:

“notes that the Scottish Government is working with the UK Government on the three UK-wide reviews; welcomes the findings of the report, Poly Implant Prothèse (PIP) silicone breast implants: Review of the actions of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and Department of Health, which found that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority took appropriate action based on the information made available to it; looks forward to the outcome of the expert group looking at the rupture rate data and toxicology testing led by Sir Bruce Keogh, which is due to report later this month, and the review looking at the regulation of the cosmetic industry also being led by Sir Bruce Keogh, which will report by March 2013, and commends NHSScotland for the action taken by it to ensure that it responded appropriately by making information and advice available to women and ensuring that, where the private healthcare sector was unable or unwilling to provide a clinically appropriate package of care, NHSScotland provided appropriate care.”

10:46
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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-03294, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on women’s health.10:27
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate the PIP breast implant scandal.I welcome some of the women who have been caught up in the scandal, who are here today cam...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to have the debate. I also welcome those from the Scottish campaign group who have joined us for the debate. They have been at the ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
One of our concerns is that the second Bruce Keogh review—not the toxicology review—is on cosmetic procedures only. There are many other procedures, such as ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The review is dealing specifically with the issues that arise from the PIP implant matter, and we should give the review group the opportunity to consider th...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing forward the debate, because although we do not agree with her conclusions on the issue we think that it is important that...
Jackie Baillie Lab
In recognising the scale of the problem, does the member support a public inquiry being held at UK level?
Nanette Milne Con
I will give the member my reasons for not doing so later.We must remember that silicone implants carry an inherent risk to an individual’s health. No such im...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
We are in a serious and worrying situation, so I am glad that we are having this debate. We should take the opportunity to reassure the many women out there ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I was quoting the cabinet secretary, who has consistently said that we would perhaps be safer using the upper limit, which is 4,000 women.
Fiona McLeod SNP
Thank you, Ms Baillie. I confess that I was not at the Health and Sport Committee meeting that day—I was in hospital getting my gallbladder removed. However,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Come to a conclusion, please.
Fiona McLeod SNP
I contend that the EU and the UK have swung too far towards self-regulation and self-policing. Given that Scotland has no voice in Europe and only a small vo...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
When I first heard about the PIP silicone scandal, I was shocked. I still cannot comprehend the feelings of anguish and worry that must have been—and still a...
Margaret Burgess (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I can only imagine the stress and anxiety that are felt by women who have PIP breast implants. For some time, they have lived with that worry day and daily. ...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I, too, welcome members of the campaign to the chamber. However, although I have a great deal of sympathy for their situation, I am not sure that a public in...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I did not invent the 4,000 figure; it actually came from the member’s own Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy. Nevertheless, the poin...
Dennis Robertson SNP
As I said, the 4,000 figure came from the UK Government and relates to the purchase of implants. The cabinet secretary was quite right to highlight the upper...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I first became very concerned about the issue a few weeks ago when a constituent came to one of my surgeries and showed me photographs of two breast implants...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
There has been much debate about exactly how many women in Scotland, the UK and across Europe might be affected. Those numbers remain unclear, but we can be ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. I call Nanette Milne. You have up to five minutes.11:17
Nanette Milne Con
This has been a worthwhile, interesting and considered debate with good speeches from members in all parts of the chamber. As I said previously, it is import...
Jackie Baillie Lab
This is not about apportioning blame, but about learning lessons of responsibility for the after-care of the women so that the same mistakes do not happen in...
Nanette Milne Con
I appreciate that, but I still think that the on-going work and its conclusions will satisfy.It is certainly true that we can continue to improve regulation ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Michael Matheson. I can give you around seven minutes, minister.11:22
Michael Matheson SNP
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Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
I am very short of time and I want to cover as many points as I can.A number of members mentioned the introduction of a register. Some members may be aware t...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
As all members have acknowledged, this has been a useful debate, but some questions remain unanswered.Why should there be an inquiry? Why should we not just ...