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Meeting of the Parliament 29 March 2012

29 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Energy Companies
Park, John Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV
I disagree with Patrick Harvie; he has not been confrontational this morning—I am sure that members who remember debates on similar subjects in the previous session of the Parliament agree. He has made a positive contribution to the debate; indeed, the Green party has brought two positive issues to the Parliament this morning for us to debate.

Like Patrick Harvie, I am a member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee. Our current inquiry into the achievability of the Government’s renewables targets has thrown up two vital issues in relation to today’s debate: planning and the need to engage communities in renewables projects; and the need to ensure that we have the people, the skills and the resources to deliver projects and deliver on the targets.

If initiatives such as those that members have described and those that are mentioned in the Greens’ motion are taken forward on such a basis, we will ensure not only that cost-effective energy can be supplied in a way that is relevant to the needs of communities but that there are employment opportunities for people in schemes and that individuals who are engaged in the planning process will see the positive impact of renewable energy on them and on the wider community.

We are rubbing up against a key factor just now in this country. In general, people support the wider green agenda and what the Government is trying to achieve through renewables. However, there are concerns—sometimes fuelled by less responsible people in positions of influence—particularly around planning, cost and the employment opportunities that will be created. The debate addresses those issues specifically.

There is a role for the Scottish Government to play, as has been mentioned. There are examples of how, by providing small pockets of funding, it can facilitate change and make things happen. I will give an example from my area. The Fife works project is about giving vocational training opportunities to people in the workplace. As well as receiving funding from the Scottish Government, the project has been supported by the council and the housing association. Because of the Scottish Government’s facilitation, it is delivering and meeting local needs.

Another example is the union learning fund projects, which have been going for about 10 years. Small bits of Government funding are bringing together partners from the public and private sectors and the trade unions, which enables them to go to colleges, to come to collective arrangements and to drive down costs. There is a role for Government to play in that regard. It is not always about throwing money at something; it is about ensuring that the structures exist to get the best out of what is there.

We will not always be where we are now. There are good projects that are looking at where the opportunities might lie in the future. The University of Edinburgh is taking forward the heat and the city project, which is a good example of scanning the horizon and seeing what we can do on district heating. Patrick Harvie mentioned a great number of initiatives across the country. I would like to mention the Ecology Centre in Kinghorn in Fife, which educates young people on the needs of the environment. The centre has brought forward a proposal for wind turbines so that it can be sustainable and continue to provide opportunities.

I am happy to support the motion.

11:16

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02523, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on local energy companies. 10:25
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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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Fergus Ewing SNP
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Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Boyack give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Mary Scanlon, who has a strict five minutes.10:48
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
A few years ago, I was lucky enough to be invited to a community conference on the island of Gigha, just after the people there had switched on their three w...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
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Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member give way?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
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Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Griffin Lab
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Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
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Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
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John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Mary Scanlon Con
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Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member give way?