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Meeting of the Parliament 29 March 2012

29 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Energy Companies
I very much welcome the debate on local energy companies and hope that it will stimulate action. We will not all agree on everything, but I suspect that there is enough on which we agree for us to be getting on with. The Parliament set an ambitious target for a 42 per cent reduction in CO2 by 2020, and Labour believes that energy efficiency, with local heat and energy in our buildings and in our transport, must be part of the solution. I will not engage in a lengthy debate about the exact nature of the Government’s ambitious targets for renewables. Suffice it to say that we believe strongly in a balanced approach to energy supply that lets Scotland lead the way on renewables while remaining part of a United Kingdom energy market so that we can both export energy that we generate from renewables and use it ourselves. We must be able to export energy to the rest of the UK and import base-load when we need it.

The key issue is the need for a decentralised set of heat and power networks across our local communities. Such an approach would be a highly efficient way in which to generate heat and power and could provide much-needed base-load. We believe that it is the missing link in energy and heat supply in Scotland. If we had been elected to government last summer, we would have implemented radical plans for community renewables. We see local authorities as vital partners and key agents in leading the way.

The motion talks about the perception of renewables as being all about the benefits to big companies. It is vital that local communities and individual members of society are able to get direct benefits from the renewables revolution. Patrick Harvie mentioned some of the fantastic community projects that now exist throughout Scotland using co-operative, community trust and social enterprise models—whatever is appropriate locally. There is a big gap, however, caused by the fact that local authorities have not played their full part.

Council house tenants, housing association tenants and people who are on low incomes will never be able to benefit from technologies such as solar panels, solar water heating and combined heat and power schemes unless they are procured collectively on a mass scale.

I have mentioned many times the fantastic work that is being done in Aberdeen. I am glad that it has been namechecked today, but it should not be the scheme that we must always mention—there should be lots of others. That is why we need to put some political energy behind the process today.

Last year, our idea was to have a £100 million scheme that was based on the principles that Birmingham City Council adopted. Its model involved setting up a social enterprise company to bulk-buy solar panels for council house tenants. The council also reinvested in energy efficiency and in a new wave of solar panels across the city. It has now been joined by a host of other authorities. In north-east England, five local authorities are working together to do the same procurement work.

We would have worked with an initial 10,000 houses, alongside energy-efficiency work. We are not doing enough to address fuel poverty, and such an initiative would have helped to boost work in that area. Patrick Harvie referred to the new revenue that we could invest in such a process.

Fergus Ewing is right—it is an incredibly tough time for local authorities, which have had to bear the brunt of 89 per cent of this year’s budget cuts and are shouldering record debt levels. However, local authorities know local housing. We are not using their expertise and knowledge. They have the power to be transformative by establishing decentralised energy and heat networks. They are in charge of the planning framework for buildings and of transport and zero waste planning locally.

Local authorities could really make a difference. The levers are potentially at their disposal and they have the powers that they got under the previous Labour Government to buy and sell energy for their residents, but they have competing demands on their time. I say to the minister that the issue is not about him requiring local authorities to do things or ruling out what they can do but about transformational leadership to give them the capacity and the support to take on and lead on the agenda.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02523, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on local energy companies. 10:25
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
When the Greens bring motions to the chamber for debate, we usually take what we laughingly call a soft-and-spiky approach. We lodge one consensual and const...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
The Aberdeen combined heat and power scheme has got it right in my opinion. In part, the expansion in recent times has been down to the £1 million grant that...
Patrick Harvie Green
That gets to one of the central issues. There should not be insistence, but there should be strong and compelling leadership at local and central Government ...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I am delighted to accept the invitation in the wording of the motion to reaffirm Scotland’s commitment to its ambitious, world-leading climate change targets...
Patrick Harvie Green
I am glad that the minister mentions the 500MW target. It includes local ownership, and not just community ownership. My motion is about community and public...
Fergus Ewing SNP
We clearly and explicitly want to encourage communities to own renewables schemes. There is no dubiety about that so far as I am aware. That is the best mode...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I do not play down any of the problems and complexities that the minister has outlined. However, community development trusts have got into the market in rec...
Fergus Ewing SNP
Those are suppliers of capacity, not retailers of electricity—there is a difference.We are happy to look carefully at the emerging possibilities. The current...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I very much welcome the debate on local energy companies and hope that it will stimulate action. We will not all agree on everything, but I suspect that ther...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Boyack give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
No—I have only one minute left.I welcome the minister’s support for our amendment. We believe that it is crucial that the Government comes back to Parliament...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Mary Scanlon, who has a strict five minutes.10:48
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the Scottish Green Party for bringing the debate to the Parliament. I agree with most of Patrick Harvie’s motion—I am sure that he can guess th...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
A few years ago, I was lucky enough to be invited to a community conference on the island of Gigha, just after the people there had switched on their three w...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, I have only four minutes.Little Scotland can, by becoming the world’s laboratory, make an unparalleled contribution to mankind in solving the problem of ...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member give way?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, I am sorry—I have only two minutes.Business excels at investing in new technology, and if we are to fulfil those targets and achieve all the benefits tha...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I hope and believe that the Parliament will reaffirm Scotland’s ambitious targets on climate change and renewable energy, and I am happy to continue to commi...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Griffin Lab
I am sorry, but I am tight for time.It is right that we should push for the creation of public energy companies that are publicly owned and publicly controll...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
The city of Aberdeen is recognised as the oil and gas capital of Europe, and my constituency of Aberdeenshire West hopes to become the renewables capital. Th...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I, too, congratulate the less spiky, new-style Patrick Harvie on bringing the debate to the chamber, and confirm that his motion and Sarah Boyack’s amendment...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
I am sorry, but I do not have enough time.Patrick Harvie is right: we need to do more to demonstrate how the renewables agenda can and will serve the common ...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Patrick Harvie for bringing the issue of local energy companies to the chamber for an important debate.We should remind ourselves of the Govern...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I disagree with Patrick Harvie; he has not been confrontational this morning—I am sure that members who remember debates on similar subjects in the previous ...
Mary Scanlon Con
In my opening speech, I highlighted good and bad experience. Caithness Heat and Power could have benefited from the advice that is now available from Highlan...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member give way?