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Meeting of the Parliament 13 June 2012

13 Jun 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims and Witnesses (Improving Services)
McDonald, Mark SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
On Annabel Goldie’s comment, my understanding of “Strike it Lucky” is that participants had to avoid hitting hot spots.

The Scottish Government, in introducing the bill, has recognised that although a great distance has been travelled in relation to the role of victims and witnesses and how the justice system operates in relation to them, the journey is not yet complete and there is still work to be done.

I was interested by an article that was recently published in The Guardian, which commented on an Institute of Public Policy Research report that suggested that

“Police forces should develop crime-tracking applications”

to allow individuals to

“follow their cases through the system”.

Furthermore,

“The IPPR found that not knowing about what was happening in a case was a key cause of frustration for victims and undermined their confidence in the criminal justice system.”

I was struck by how that perhaps complements some of the work that is being done by Victim Support Scotland on case-progress information. It has developed a pilot in Tayside in which

“Victims and witnesses of crime will be supported through, and gain speedier access to, case progress information in an understandable way.”

Those two issues seem to me to be matched quite closely together, so I am interested to hear the Government’s view on that and how the suggestion in the IPPR report might be progressed.

Lewis Macdonald spoke about Peter Morris—I want to focus on that subject for the remainder of my speech. I encountered Mr Morris in the north-east of Scotland, and I was struck by some his testimony as a witness and, by extension, as a victim of the process. I note that one of the Government’s proposed key principles is that

“Victims and witnesses should have access to appropriately tailored support before, during and after proceedings.”

I want to focus much of what I have to say on that because it relates to the matter that Mr Morris was obviously campaigning on. As Lewis Macdonald rightly highlighted, Mr Morris’s sister Claire was murdered in 1994, although the trial was not brought until some 17 years later when new evidence came to light.

I first encountered Mr Morris was when he was trying to reclaim his sister’s grave, and it is worth putting on record the excellent work of the Aberdeen Law Project, which is a student-led clinic that did a huge amount of work to assist Mr Morris in that endeavour.

Mr Morris petitioned the Parliament on victims of crime. His view was very much that, although the perpetrators of crime are delivered sentences, there is also often a silent sentence that is served on those who are the victims of crime and, by extension, on their families.

Mr Morris undertook a walk to Parliament, which unfortunately had a personal cost for him because he was forced to have one of his legs amputated below the knee after it became infected. However, I walked the first 10 miles of that walk with Mr Morris from his sister’s graveside to the village of Newburgh in Aberdeenshire. On the way, we discussed the issues that he was trying to raise. One of the things that he felt was difficult was that there can be gaps in support for victims because of compartmentalisation of the justice process, in that each component of the justice system has its own role. Victims often feel, therefore, that they are being passed like a parcel from organisation to organisation as each organisation’s role closes and another’s begins.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-03278, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on improving services for victims and witnesses.14:34
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to open the debate on making justice work for victims and witnesses. Under the Scottish Government’s making justice work pr...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Has the cabinet secretary estimated what revenue the proposed victim surcharge would bring in in the next few years?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
We are looking at those matters. The answer is that that will depend. I am happy to share whatever information we have to date, but the measures that I am ta...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary give an assurance that the category of victims of sexual offences and domestic abuse will include victims of stalking?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
I am assuming that that will be the case, but I will confirm that for the member. Given the nature of that offence, I would be surprised if that was not the ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scotland’s devolved Parliament has had a strong focus on support for victims and witnesses since its beginnings 13 years ago. The Labour-led devolved Governm...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can whoever has their phone on please switch it off?
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, I apologise to the member. I thought that I had switched it off, but I am obviously incompetent with this thing.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Ms Grahame.
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Christine Grahame’s apology is, of course, acknowledged and accepted. I thank her for that helpful intervention, which I am sure will not cost me too much sp...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Annabel Goldie has seven minutes.14:59
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. My normal challenge when speaking is to ensure that audiences remain awake. I fear that, if I speak more slowly, the situation ...
David Stewart Lab
Does Annabel Goldie agree that it is inconsistent that prisoners have their own commissioner but victims do not?
Annabel Goldie Con
That certainly seems to be illogical. The proposal could—with tweaking—go a long way towards addressing the needs of victims. The situation might then be ade...
Christine Grahame SNP
It is commendable that Annabel Goldie has agreed that the cabinet secretary has taken steps in that direction, but does she agree that we need more prisoner ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Ms Goldie, I will compensate you for the intervention.
Annabel Goldie Con
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer.In response to Christine Grahame’s intervention, the building programme is, I presume, precisely what her party took i...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie Con
I am sorry, but I am pushed for time and I have already taken an intervention.Automatic early release of prisoners is a discredited anachronism that perplexe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. We have a fair amount of time in hand; the six minutes for speeches will be a generous six minutes, and members will be compe...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
On Annabel Goldie’s comment, my understanding of “Strike it Lucky” is that participants had to avoid hitting hot spots.The Scottish Government, in introducin...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark McDonald SNP
I will finish my point, first.One of the difficulties is that gaps emerge and individuals often fall into them. One of the key things that we need to do is f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Humza Yousaf.
Hanzala Malik Lab
No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am sorry. It is Hanzala Malik. I beg your pardon.
Hanzala Malik Lab
Thank you very much. I am not sure that Humza would appreciate that, but I certainly do. Laughter.I compliment Mark McDonald for what he said about victim su...
Mark McDonald SNP
Hanzala Malik has made an excellent point and I am sure that the Government will be acutely aware of the need for appropriate support to be given to victims ...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Will the member take an intervention?