Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 13 June 2012
13 Jun 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims and Witnesses (Improving Services)
I am grateful for the opportunity to open the debate on making justice work for victims and witnesses. Under the Scottish Government’s making justice work programme, we are bringing forward the most radical reforms of our courts and tribunals for at least a century. The programme sets out a vision of Scotland’s justice system as one that is accessible, cost effective and efficient and where disputes and prosecutions are resolved quickly and fairly.
To create such a system, it is vital that we improve the support that is available to victims and witnesses. No one chooses to be a victim of crime, and the impact on people’s lives can go on long after the courts have moved on to other cases. Victims must be seen not as passive spectators or mere users of services but as people who have a legitimate interest in how the justice system operates.
Witnesses fulfil a vital civic duty, which must be recognised and treated as such. Without witnesses, there is no mechanism by which crimes can be investigated and prosecuted; no way of testing evidence; no way of ensuring that those who commit crimes are found guilty and punished appropriately; and no sense of community or society. Without witnesses, the justice system simply cannot operate. If witnesses are to come forward, they must feel confident that their contribution will be valued and, more important, that they will be supported.
That is why improving the experience of such individuals is at the heart of the making justice work programme. It is also why, in our manifesto and our programme for government, we committed to bring forward legislation during this session of Parliament to ensure that victims’ rights are central to improvements in our justice system and that witnesses can fulfil their public duty effectively.
Significant progress has already been made in this area, including some important legislative changes. For example, witnesses can now see their statements again before they give evidence; the courts can grant anonymity for witnesses in appropriate cases; in human trafficking cases, children up to the age of 18 have an automatic entitlement to standard special measures; and the coverage of the victim notification scheme, which used to apply to custodial sentences of four years or more, has been extended to custodial sentences of 18 months or more.
Although much has been done, much remains to be done. Today’s debate is an opportunity to explore some of that work, to debate the proposals that we put forward in our recent consultation paper, “Making Justice Work for Victims and Witnesses”, and to discuss any other measures that might improve the support that is available to victims and witnesses.
In developing our proposals, we have been guided by a number of basic principles, which I hope will receive broad support across the chamber. We believe that victims and witnesses should know what is going on in cases that affect them and should know what to expect in relation to proceedings, which should include knowing whether hearings will go ahead as planned. They should feel confident in coming forward, knowing that their personal safety will be protected, and they should be able to contribute effectively to cases that affect them. They should have access to appropriately tailored support before, during and after proceedings. In addition, we believe that offenders should pay for the injury, loss and distress that they have caused, when that is possible and appropriate.
Although it is inevitable that the current focus is on the proposed victims and witnesses bill, we should recognise that significant progress is already being made in realising those principles.
To create such a system, it is vital that we improve the support that is available to victims and witnesses. No one chooses to be a victim of crime, and the impact on people’s lives can go on long after the courts have moved on to other cases. Victims must be seen not as passive spectators or mere users of services but as people who have a legitimate interest in how the justice system operates.
Witnesses fulfil a vital civic duty, which must be recognised and treated as such. Without witnesses, there is no mechanism by which crimes can be investigated and prosecuted; no way of testing evidence; no way of ensuring that those who commit crimes are found guilty and punished appropriately; and no sense of community or society. Without witnesses, the justice system simply cannot operate. If witnesses are to come forward, they must feel confident that their contribution will be valued and, more important, that they will be supported.
That is why improving the experience of such individuals is at the heart of the making justice work programme. It is also why, in our manifesto and our programme for government, we committed to bring forward legislation during this session of Parliament to ensure that victims’ rights are central to improvements in our justice system and that witnesses can fulfil their public duty effectively.
Significant progress has already been made in this area, including some important legislative changes. For example, witnesses can now see their statements again before they give evidence; the courts can grant anonymity for witnesses in appropriate cases; in human trafficking cases, children up to the age of 18 have an automatic entitlement to standard special measures; and the coverage of the victim notification scheme, which used to apply to custodial sentences of four years or more, has been extended to custodial sentences of 18 months or more.
Although much has been done, much remains to be done. Today’s debate is an opportunity to explore some of that work, to debate the proposals that we put forward in our recent consultation paper, “Making Justice Work for Victims and Witnesses”, and to discuss any other measures that might improve the support that is available to victims and witnesses.
In developing our proposals, we have been guided by a number of basic principles, which I hope will receive broad support across the chamber. We believe that victims and witnesses should know what is going on in cases that affect them and should know what to expect in relation to proceedings, which should include knowing whether hearings will go ahead as planned. They should feel confident in coming forward, knowing that their personal safety will be protected, and they should be able to contribute effectively to cases that affect them. They should have access to appropriately tailored support before, during and after proceedings. In addition, we believe that offenders should pay for the injury, loss and distress that they have caused, when that is possible and appropriate.
Although it is inevitable that the current focus is on the proposed victims and witnesses bill, we should recognise that significant progress is already being made in realising those principles.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-03278, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on improving services for victims and witnesses.14:34
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill)
SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to open the debate on making justice work for victims and witnesses. Under the Scottish Government’s making justice work pr...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
Has the cabinet secretary estimated what revenue the proposed victim surcharge would bring in in the next few years?
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
We are looking at those matters. The answer is that that will depend. I am happy to share whatever information we have to date, but the measures that I am ta...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
Can the cabinet secretary give an assurance that the category of victims of sexual offences and domestic abuse will include victims of stalking?
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
I am assuming that that will be the case, but I will confirm that for the member. Given the nature of that offence, I would be surprised if that was not the ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Scotland’s devolved Parliament has had a strong focus on support for victims and witnesses since its beginnings 13 years ago. The Labour-led devolved Governm...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Can whoever has their phone on please switch it off?
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
Presiding Officer, I apologise to the member. I thought that I had switched it off, but I am obviously incompetent with this thing.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Thank you, Ms Grahame.
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Christine Grahame’s apology is, of course, acknowledged and accepted. I thank her for that helpful intervention, which I am sure will not cost me too much sp...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Annabel Goldie has seven minutes.14:59
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. My normal challenge when speaking is to ensure that audiences remain awake. I fear that, if I speak more slowly, the situation ...
David Stewart
Lab
Does Annabel Goldie agree that it is inconsistent that prisoners have their own commissioner but victims do not?
Annabel Goldie
Con
That certainly seems to be illogical. The proposal could—with tweaking—go a long way towards addressing the needs of victims. The situation might then be ade...
Christine Grahame
SNP
It is commendable that Annabel Goldie has agreed that the cabinet secretary has taken steps in that direction, but does she agree that we need more prisoner ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Ms Goldie, I will compensate you for the intervention.
Annabel Goldie
Con
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer.In response to Christine Grahame’s intervention, the building programme is, I presume, precisely what her party took i...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie
Con
I am sorry, but I am pushed for time and I have already taken an intervention.Automatic early release of prisoners is a discredited anachronism that perplexe...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
We now move to the open debate. We have a fair amount of time in hand; the six minutes for speeches will be a generous six minutes, and members will be compe...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
On Annabel Goldie’s comment, my understanding of “Strike it Lucky” is that participants had to avoid hitting hot spots.The Scottish Government, in introducin...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark McDonald
SNP
I will finish my point, first.One of the difficulties is that gaps emerge and individuals often fall into them. One of the key things that we need to do is f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
Humza Yousaf.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I am sorry. It is Hanzala Malik. I beg your pardon.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
Thank you very much. I am not sure that Humza would appreciate that, but I certainly do. Laughter.I compliment Mark McDonald for what he said about victim su...
Mark McDonald
SNP
Hanzala Malik has made an excellent point and I am sure that the Government will be acutely aware of the need for appropriate support to be given to victims ...
Lewis Macdonald
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?