Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 18 April 2012
18 Apr 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Project Transmit
I welcome the debate. I think that my fellow members will agree that the existing charging regimes are neither compatible with the needs and desires of ordinary people nor in the interests of delivering an affordable and sustainable energy future.
In modern society, few issues are more pressing than global warming. Some might even go so far as to say that, for the future of the planet, it is even more important than the debate on Scottish independence. Members will be aware of the truly alarming figure that 900,000 households in Scotland are in fuel poverty. The importance of the debate and the independent review are therefore self-evident.
There is general support among politicians and charities, such as Friends of the Earth Scotland and RSPB Scotland, for the main aims of project transmit. As Ofgem has stated, reducing carbon emissions and ensuring the delivery of secure energy supplies are integral to its duty to protect the interests of current and future energy consumers.
It is this Parliament’s responsibility to build on those areas of consensus and to work towards a fairer future. Project transmit provides an opportunity to make major progress and it presents us with a chance to ensure that we find the right charging regime—one that supports renewables developments but does not do so at the expense of those who cannot afford a hike in energy bills.
For many of my constituents in Glasgow, fuel poverty is a critical issue. However, it is not an issue only in Glasgow, which is why we must look to protect households in fuel poverty across the country. No one should have to choose between heating their house and feeding themselves and their family.
Although project transmit affords the Scottish Government the opportunity to create and support sustainable energy developments, we must remember that altering the existing charging regime is not in itself enough. It is crucial that we give further support to the various green initiatives that exist throughout the country and set our minds to conceiving new and innovative ways to turn Scotland into an energy-efficient, low-carbon economy.
In Glasgow, Labour is stepping up to that challenge. We will lead the implementation of the green deal to improve the energy efficiency of residents’ homes. We have committed to develop a centre for green building skills, which will help local workers and the construction industry to make the transition to a low-carbon economy. We have pledged to create the Glasgow energy trust to develop new energy systems and to ensure that the city gets its fair share of all future revenues.
Project transmit offers an opportunity to change one part of the energy system and address a long-standing concern, but it is only one element of the change that needs to occur if we as a country are to achieve our aims and meet our obligations to the global community.
At the heart of the change must be people not profits, and community benefits not corporate gains. The communities that are at the forefront of the renewables revolution should be able to reap the rewards. I am glad that Labour’s amendment takes that into account by calling on Ofgem to recognise community involvement and to introduce a pricing regime that prioritises the needs of local people and does not penalise them. I hope that all members agree, and I call on them to support Ken Macintosh’s Scottish Labour amendment.
14:54
In modern society, few issues are more pressing than global warming. Some might even go so far as to say that, for the future of the planet, it is even more important than the debate on Scottish independence. Members will be aware of the truly alarming figure that 900,000 households in Scotland are in fuel poverty. The importance of the debate and the independent review are therefore self-evident.
There is general support among politicians and charities, such as Friends of the Earth Scotland and RSPB Scotland, for the main aims of project transmit. As Ofgem has stated, reducing carbon emissions and ensuring the delivery of secure energy supplies are integral to its duty to protect the interests of current and future energy consumers.
It is this Parliament’s responsibility to build on those areas of consensus and to work towards a fairer future. Project transmit provides an opportunity to make major progress and it presents us with a chance to ensure that we find the right charging regime—one that supports renewables developments but does not do so at the expense of those who cannot afford a hike in energy bills.
For many of my constituents in Glasgow, fuel poverty is a critical issue. However, it is not an issue only in Glasgow, which is why we must look to protect households in fuel poverty across the country. No one should have to choose between heating their house and feeding themselves and their family.
Although project transmit affords the Scottish Government the opportunity to create and support sustainable energy developments, we must remember that altering the existing charging regime is not in itself enough. It is crucial that we give further support to the various green initiatives that exist throughout the country and set our minds to conceiving new and innovative ways to turn Scotland into an energy-efficient, low-carbon economy.
In Glasgow, Labour is stepping up to that challenge. We will lead the implementation of the green deal to improve the energy efficiency of residents’ homes. We have committed to develop a centre for green building skills, which will help local workers and the construction industry to make the transition to a low-carbon economy. We have pledged to create the Glasgow energy trust to develop new energy systems and to ensure that the city gets its fair share of all future revenues.
Project transmit offers an opportunity to change one part of the energy system and address a long-standing concern, but it is only one element of the change that needs to occur if we as a country are to achieve our aims and meet our obligations to the global community.
At the heart of the change must be people not profits, and community benefits not corporate gains. The communities that are at the forefront of the renewables revolution should be able to reap the rewards. I am glad that Labour’s amendment takes that into account by calling on Ofgem to recognise community involvement and to introduce a pricing regime that prioritises the needs of local people and does not penalise them. I hope that all members agree, and I call on them to support Ken Macintosh’s Scottish Labour amendment.
14:54
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02623, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on project transmit. Members who wish to take part in the debate shou...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
This is a very important debate. Charging for access to the electricity transmission network is an area of energy policy that is rarely spoken about, but whi...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Mr Scott, you do not have your card in your console.I will give you more time in compensation, minister.
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD)
LD
Does the minister recognise that one of the deep concerns is that large renewables businesses in other parts of the United Kingdom are arguing against any re...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Different companies will be affected in different ways. Today, with the support of Tavish Scott and all the other parties, I hope to argue that when the Ofge...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
Does the minister acknowledge that the proposals that will be announced on 4 May are just proposals? They will go out for further consultation and the consum...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
This is not the end of the process; that is Mary Scanlon’s point. Incidentally, I have deliberately not mentioned, nor have I addressed my remarks to, the Un...
Mary Scanlon
Con
I notice that the minister favours the flat-rate charge. I am shocked by that, because Ofgem’s briefing points out that such a measure would cost consumers i...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I am not sure that I entirely understand that point. I apologise for that. The point that I was trying to make was that the Government has compromised. We th...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the Scottish Government for securing today’s debate on project transmit and the minister for his opening remarks. It is fair to say that my colleague...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I declare an interest in the debate, as my son works in the renewable energy business.The Conservatives welcome the debate on project transmit as part of the...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
To address the point that Mary Scanlon makes, I say to her that we do not accept that the costings that Ofgem gave to justify the refusal to accept the posta...
Mary Scanlon
Con
As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I certainly will not be uniting to support putting an extra £30 on the bills of people in the north of Scotland but nothing e...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mary Scanlon
Con
No. I have taken a long intervention already.Project transmit ended its consultation in February. The responses have been considered, modelling analysis has ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
We move to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes.14:28
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
The problem that we have is that Scotland is caught in the trap of an organisation called Ofgem, which was created in circumstances that do not reflect the n...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab)
Lab
I do not think that this debate will generate many headlines in tomorrow’s papers, although it should, because it is a high-voltage debate. Over £2 billion i...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
SNP
Almost two years ago to the day, the Parliament backed a motion that highlighted the threat that locational transmission charging poses to developing greater...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I am pleased to have an opportunity to speak in this brief but welcome debate and I am delighted that a delegation from Orkney Islands Council and the renewa...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I hope that, at its meeting tomorrow, the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority—GEMA—which is the board of Ofgem, will make decisions or at least provide mor...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Chic Brodie
SNP
No. I do not have enough time.I have the greatest respect and admiration for the Ofgem team in Scotland—oh that it were independent—but the notion that exist...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the debate. I think that my fellow members will agree that the existing charging regimes are neither compatible with the needs and desires of ordin...
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
We have heard how important energy transmission is and will continue to be for Scotland’s economy. It is clear that energy generation is an integral part of ...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
As other members have said, the Ofgem consultation—project transmit—has been widely welcomed, as in its current form the transmission network’s use of system...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I recently visited the European Marine Energy Centre in Orkney, which enabled me to gain a first-hand insight into the remarkable progress that it is making ...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Does the member acknowledge that the project transmit consultation ended at the end of February; that a decision will be made on 4 May; that that decision ha...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Sure, and I remain optimistic. I point out, however, that it is truly lamentable that it has taken this length of time to get anywhere near approaching the r...
Mary Scanlon
Con
Will the member give way?